Is Method Man's career a disappointment or underrated?

[Danie84]

Meth could have been the GOAT, but he just settled to be one of the Best

 

[criminology]

yeah, I read what you wrote that is why I corrected your ass.
Then, you tried to imply what Is indicative of the far from the fact sentiment now.
Not, what the real sentiment was when it occurred.


Art Barr

man you're intractable. you don't even realize when people agree with you.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I agree. Obviously Ironman, OB4 and LS are better but I also think Ol Dirty's debut is better too

See that's a fun debate. I think it'd be a tight race too. I flip flop on which is better a lot. ODB's is definitely more entertaining, and beat-wise they aren't that different, and sound more like each other than any other Wu solos IMO.

 

[Wacky D]

LOL yes they were. Just because a group might have sold more records at their peak in no way makes another group more popular. That's like saying Nelly is more popular than Jay-Z because he had a higher peak. Wu over the last 20 years has been the universally most popular group in rap. The name Wu-Tang is bigger than any other rap group act. They haven't even put out mainstream relevant music for years and years but if there was a Wu reunion concert right now, they could sell out any arena in the world. There's no other group of that era or any other that can do that.

You're proving my point about IM vs. SC. IM came out when Wu Tang was hot, and already dropped multiple classic solo albums. SC came at a time when Wu was on a down slope and managed to bring them back from the dead damn near. To me, that's a way bigger deal than having a popular album at the group's height. For example, The Carter 1 is bigger than The Block is Hot. The Block is Hot sold more records because it was during the Hot Boyz peak, but The Carter is the record that revived Cash Money records after it took a major fall from all the people leaving and stuff.

bone thugs were more popular than wutang. no need to even bring in the really really obvious ones like run dmc & nwa. sure wutang can still sell out shows now, thanks to their branding and rabid white fanbase. the black eyed peas can prolly do that too.

SC didnt really bring back anything breh. youre looking at it from the perspective of a fan. if it was as much of a big deal as youre making it out to be, then its influence wouldnt be so over-looked and un-credited. it was a good achievement but it wasnt stoppin time at all.

i see what youre trying to get at with the cmr comparison, but youre rewriting cash money's history. cash money didnt need to be revived. we gonna act like the big tymers werent poppin thru that entire time period? not to mention that juvenile was still contractually obligated to cmr and his album cycle was bigger than carter 1's cycle in real-time. carter 1 was a slow-burn and slept-on upon release. meanwhile, juvenile was having a huge run while still signed to cash money.

 

[FreshAIG]

bone thugs were more popular than wutang. no need to even bring in the really really obvious ones like run dmc & nwa. sure wutang can still sell out shows now, thanks to their branding and rabid white fanbase. the black eyed peas can prolly do that too.

SC didnt really bring back anything breh. youre looking at it from the perspective of a fan. if it was as much of a big deal as youre making it out to be, then its influence wouldnt be so over-looked and un-credited. it was a good achievement but it wasnt stoppin time at all.

i see what youre trying to get at with the cmr comparison, but youre rewriting cash money's history. cash money didnt need to be revived. we gonna act like the big tymers werent poppin thru that entire time period? not to mention that juvenile was still contractually obligated to cmr and his album cycle was bigger than carter 1's cycle in real-time. carter 1 was a slow-burn and slept-on upon release. meanwhile, juvenile was having a huge run while still signed to cash money.

I knew you was gonna bring up Bone Thugs, perfect example of someone more popular at their peak but not overall. Bone Thugs got extremely popular for a 3 year period then faded out. Wu Tang has been consistently popular for 20 years, they didn't quite have the peak of Bone but far exceeded them in longevity. Same for NWA and Run DMC. Their longevity is what puts them over those groups. I, personally, think NWA is the best group ever. But they don't have anywhere near the longevity of the Wu.

Big Tymers were on the way down when The Carter 1 came out. It had been a good 2 years where Cash Money had nothing. Their last big hit before the Carter was Still Fly and that came out a few years prior. And nobody associated Juvenile with Cash Money anymore at that point. He was contractual obligated but that'd be like counting Snoop Dogg's No Limit albums and say Death Row was still poppin because they still made money off of it.

 

[mobbinfms]

bone thugs were more popular than wutang. no need to even bring in the really really obvious ones like run dmc & nwa. sure wutang can still sell out shows now, thanks to their branding and rabid white fanbase. the black eyed peas can prolly do that too.

SC didnt really bring back anything breh. youre looking at it from the perspective of a fan. if it was as much of a big deal as youre making it out to be, then its influence wouldnt be so over-looked and un-credited. it was a good achievement but it wasnt stoppin time at all.

i see what youre trying to get at with the cmr comparison, but youre rewriting cash money's history. cash money didnt need to be revived. we gonna act like the big tymers werent poppin thru that entire time period? not to mention that juvenile was still contractually obligated to cmr and his album cycle was bigger than carter 1's cycle in real-time. carter 1 was a slow-burn and slept-on upon release. meanwhile, juvenile was having a huge run while still signed to cash money.

Did you really just compare Wu Tang to Black Eyed Peas?

 

[Wacky D]

I knew you was gonna bring up Bone Thugs, perfect example of someone more popular at their peak but not overall. Bone Thugs got extremely popular for a 3 year period then faded out. Wu Tang has been consistently popular for 20 years, they didn't quite have the peak of Bone but far exceeded them in longevity. Same for NWA and Run DMC. Their longevity is what puts them over those groups. I, personally, think NWA is the best group ever. But they don't have anywhere near the longevity of the Wu.

Big Tymers were on the way down when The Carter 1 came out. It had been a good 2 years where Cash Money had nothing. Their last big hit before the Carter was Still Fly and that came out a few years prior. And nobody associated Juvenile with Cash Money anymore at that point. He was contractual obligated but that'd be like counting Snoop Dogg's No Limit albums and say Death Row was still poppin because they still made money off of it.

no. bone thugs was extremely popular for a good 6 years breh. im not sure wutang was even popular that long. they definitely didnt have as much longevity as run dmc, a group who came out in '83 and still managed to stop time in '93. just call a spade, wutang has an over-zealous rabid fanbase, and great marketing/branding. THATS WASSUP. but im not gonna sit here and go overboard either. this is why wutang gets so much hate on here.

big tymers were coming off of "big money heavyweights" when C1 dropped breh. and "still fly" wasnt even the final hit from the "hood rich" album, let alone the final hit from the big tymers period. and we didnt even get to birdman's solo hits.

youre reaching comparing juvenile to snoop. it was more of a camron - purple haze/rocafella situation if anything. they marketed it as if juvenile returned to cash money. they appeared in all his videos from that album, fresh did the hook & beat on 1 or 2 of em, while birdman did a verse on one. plus mannie fresh produced alot of songs on the LP.

carter 1 was more of a personal achievement for wayne. his career was the one that was dead. and truth be told, cash money had alot less going on during wayne's prime run. '05-08 was just wayne & birdman kissing.

 

[mobbinfms]

05-08 was just wayne & birdman kissing.

 

[nieman]

People are still trying to deny Wus popularity? Bone? No!! Bone did have singles bigger than Wu's, there's no denying that, but in popularity, never. There's only 1 group that you can show their logo on a cover with no words and everyone knows who it is.

 

[Louis]

Be in the right mindset for his classics or

forgot about this classic

 

[Wacky D]

People are still trying to deny Wus popularity? Bone? No!! Bone did have singles bigger than Wu's, there's no denying that, but in popularity, never. There's only 1 group that you can show their logo on a cover with no words and everyone knows who it is.

bone was clearly more popular.

wutang had the east. bone had the rest of the map.

 

[SubLyminalz]

Lowkey, this new generation knows him mostly from How High and Soul Plane

and cheese.

 

[ThaRealness]

I think Method Man is probably the 4th or 5th best artist in the clan. But easily the #1 entertainer... He never had that singular vision required to drop a masterpiece.

 

[KyokushinKarateMan]

Cons

1) No classic albums
4) Multiple members within his group made better albums than him

 

[Higher Tech]

Compared to the buzz he had when he 1st got on yea his career is a disappointment.I Stopped checkin for method man in the late 90's after he dropped that wakk ass mad max of terror dome video

Method Man is basically Snoop of the East.Had a spark when he started and been garbage for like 15-18 years

Excellent comparison.