Is the Constitution outdated? (edit: RIP)

[Triipe]

District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 - Infogalactic: the planetary knowledge core

interesting, but i still don't understand how this move translates into modern politics.

 

[Mowgli]

The constitution is more a representation of the foundations of western civilization. They're far from perfect, but they're what we have. I think it's a misinterpretation to view the "founding fathers" as anything more than a product of their time and place.

The post-modernist movement seems to be working to undermine a lot of those foundations. I'm not going to pretend to know if that's for the best or not, but it's reasonable to think that if those foundations are undermined enough then the very concept of democracy could go with it. Hopefully whatever takes its place improves upon the many failures in western society. History suggests that new isn't always improved, though, even when intentions were good.

Whites cant follow their own rules so no matter what is written on paper it will be trampled upon in the face of big business money and power.

Its doubtful a constitution could ever be drafted under this current generation on Americans thay would be worth a squirt of piss while racism, elites and bis business rule the nation.

Amend/revise all u can do without revolution.


Im not seeing what needs to be changed from the posters here. The document seems solid if the founders actually meant to include non white people, women, and whites that arent poor.

 

[Shogun]

The document seems solid if the founders actually meant to include non white people, women, and whites that arent poor.

They didn't, though. Their intention was for the government to be representative of who they felt was best able to steer the country.

In our time, extending the vote to everyone is the goal, and a valid one. But, society is so much more incredibly complex that, unless you dedicate your life to examining the issues, noone is fully capable of making the right choices all the time. We can hardly define the choices anymore, let alone what's right. The only thing that's gaurenteed is that we, as a country, will get what we deserve. That doesn't necessarily mean positive results.

Democracy is what we have now, but it's not the pinnacle of human achievement. A short coming of it, as I see it, is that we are easily manipulated. Who knows what will come after democracy, but I suspect this Trump fiasco will be a significant chapter in the story of it's downfall.

 

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dudes hate the whole system when they don't understand it

dude said "the constitution" as if term limits was the extent of the whole document

 

[AndroidHero]

I think it's a misinterpretation to view the "founding fathers" as anything more than a product of their time and place.

Like when people talk about the fact that most of the founding fathers were slave owners?

 

[thekingsmen]

interesting, but i still don't understand how this move translates into modern politics.

The president, congressmen, supreme court judges and laws are created in a seperate entity. No of those represent the people or the constitution.

Guy breaks it down....

 

[Shogun]

Like when people talk about the fact that most of the founding fathers were slave owners?

Thats one of the many things I was talking about. Without trivialing slavery....there is more to the constituion than just that.

I was more referring to the praise heaped on them, like they were mystics of some sort with supernatural government forming abilities.

 

[Scoop]

Executive Orders can potentially undue legislations

Ironically EO's have been allowed by SCOTUS in limited circumstances BECAUSE they think the Constitution is outdated. No where does it say a President can use EO's except for foreign policy. As it is, EO's are only allowed by SCOTUS in limited circumstances when they don't conflict with properly passed laws or go too deeply into Congressional authority.

The difficulty in amending the constitution

It wouldn't be a constitution if it was easy to amend, it would just be laws. And imagine if the 14th amendment could just be repealed like a law...

 

[Serious]

dudes hate the whole system when they don't understand it

dude said "the constitution" as if term limits was the extent of the whole document

Surprised you didnt jump on this:
Latest Trump administration action on religious freedom shrinks the distance between church and state

 

[hayesc0]

The constitution definitely outdated...
But more so because of representation. I feel like we're living in two different America's. There's the rural vs the urban areas, which are constantly at conflict. Policies that benefit urban areas, may not work for rural areas and vice versa. Getting back to representation there's no reason why states with populations like Arkansas and Wyoming should have just as much as say as California, in the senate.

Yep I agree also cant stand this trash ass electoral college.

 

[BaileyPark31]

I swear I was just thinking this. USA needs to make some changes and stop pretending it's perfect.

it was written by motherfukkers who enslaved human beings and had to ride horses to deliver election results. i hate how people (mostly the right) act like its an infallible document

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

dudes hate the whole system when they don't understand it

dude said "the constitution" as if term limits was the extent of the whole document

when you really look at the constitution and study it in depth for over a decade as i have, you begin to realize and overstand that 90% of it is really just about term limits.

 

[hayesc0]

I swear I was just thinking this. USA needs to make some changes and stop pretending it's perfect.

Yep this is how the majority of the country sees the constitution smh.

 

[BaileyPark31]

Yep this is how the majority of the country sees the constitution smh.

yup.

 

[Mowgli]

Yall have yet to state the numerous overhauls that the constitution needs....