Is the Flash low key stronger than Superman?

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Arguably, Superman is one of the most powerful metahumans in the recently rewritten DC Universe. There are some rumblings among the fanboys the Martian Manhunter is more powerful, but I think this is about the Manhunter having a more diverse power set including mental powers, phasing and mass-alteration abilities.

Superman is the flagship hero of DC and most of the DC staff have repeatedly indicated Superman has no equals. It is only his unconscious restraint which makes it look like he does. The latest version of Superman in the New 52 has shown all of the powers of his previous versions but not approaching his Silver Age level of superhuman ability.

He appears stronger than his previous Post-Crisis iteration, however. His abilities depicted thus far include:

  • Superhuman strength, sufficient to lift a weight equal to that of the entire planet. However, he must ramp up his strength to such prodigious levels because of the fragility of human environments.
  • Normally, his strength is sufficient to easily lift a 747. With a few seconds of concentration, he can move an aircraft carrier. With a few minutes, he can move the an object as massive and physically complex as a pyramid. When sufficiently motivated, he has moved entire worlds.
  • Superhuman stamina, capable of holding up the weight of the Earth for five days without rest. He has proven to be able to utilize superhuman strength, invulnerability and traveling at faster than light for sixty days without any additional solar energy.
    • He can resist the force of gravity and generate directional flight at speeds up to ten times the speed of sound with limited adverse effect on the environment. He can move even faster in atmosphere but only with a correspondingly increasing circle of destruction of which he is reluctant to do.
    • Outside of a planetary atmosphere he has proven to be able to achieve speeds faster than light, traveling from Pluto to Earth in a matter of minutes. Whether this is due to him achieving superluminal speeds or by warping space around him has not been discerned or disclosed. His current top speed is estimated by this travel time at 16 to 20 times the speed of light!
    • He has increased cognitive abilities, the ability to increase his reflexes and reaction time, comparable to his ability to move at light speeds. His training allows him to scan, analyse and deduce his opponent's operational capacity in seconds and devise an effective plan for neutralizing them

Some points for flash

The Flash's powers, since the reboot of the new DC Universe, revolve around Barry Allen's return and his perfect connection to the Speed Force. It has been implied Barry is the Speed Force, personified making him the most powerful speedster on DC's Earth.

  • The Speed Force is a energy field which permeates all of space-time in the DC Universe and allows many of DCs most well known speedsters to defy the laws of physics.
  • Depending on the quality of a speedster's connection, each will be able to manifest a variety of superhuman abilities related to hyper-accelerated activity.
  • Almost all speedsters who can connect to the Speed Force can move at what is commonly called super-speed which includes, faster ground movement, heightened reflexes, heightened temporal perception and decreased reaction time.
  • They also have increased prioperception and exteroception - an awareness of their body's physical position, movement and a perfect awareness of what is around them. This is necessary for speedsters to prevent accidents and bumping into things at high speeds.
  • Barry's return from the Speed Force has altered his perception of his powers and his view of the real world. He can, focus on a series of events and determine the least amount of effort required to make those events happen.
  • It's a new and different way of depicting how the Flash controls his perception of time, space and his relationship to the world at large. Being as fast as he is, he appears to violate causality appearing to be everywhere at once. He isn't, but his speed can give him the illusion of simultaneity.
  • Depending on the writer, how the Flash handles relative simultaneity (how things appear to happen simultaneously in relationship to the viewer) varies widely.
  • In The Flash #2, the Flash (as Barry Allen) is standing outside of a storefront where a robbery is about to/has/will happen. He is shown experiencing a moment where he is able to perceive a series of events that will/has happened and then decides to make minor changes to the series of events so different results ensue.
 

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Arguably, Superman is one of the most powerful metahumans in the recently rewritten DC Universe. There are some rumblings among the fanboys the Martian Manhunter is more powerful, but I think this is about the Manhunter having a more diverse power set including mental powers, phasing and mass-alteration abilities.

Superman is the flagship hero of DC and most of the DC staff have repeatedly indicated Superman has no equals. It is only his unconscious restraint which makes it look like he does. The latest version of Superman in the New 52 has shown all of the powers of his previous versions but not approaching his Silver Age level of superhuman ability.

He appears stronger than his previous Post-Crisis iteration, however. His abilities depicted thus far include:

  • Superhuman strength, sufficient to lift a weight equal to that of the entire planet. However, he must ramp up his strength to such prodigious levels because of the fragility of human environments.
  • Normally, his strength is sufficient to easily lift a 747. With a few seconds of concentration, he can move an aircraft carrier. With a few minutes, he can move the an object as massive and physically complex as a pyramid. When sufficiently motivated, he has moved entire worlds.
  • Superhuman stamina, capable of holding up the weight of the Earth for five days without rest. He has proven to be able to utilize superhuman strength, invulnerability and traveling at faster than light for sixty days without any additional solar energy.
    • He can resist the force of gravity and generate directional flight at speeds up to ten times the speed of sound with limited adverse effect on the environment. He can move even faster in atmosphere but only with a correspondingly increasing circle of destruction of which he is reluctant to do.
    • Outside of a planetary atmosphere he has proven to be able to achieve speeds faster than light, traveling from Pluto to Earth in a matter of minutes. Whether this is due to him achieving superluminal speeds or by warping space around him has not been discerned or disclosed. His current top speed is estimated by this travel time at 16 to 20 times the speed of light!
    • He has increased cognitive abilities, the ability to increase his reflexes and reaction time, comparable to his ability to move at light speeds. His training allows him to scan, analyse and deduce his opponent's operational capacity in seconds and devise an effective plan for neutralizing them

Some points for flash

The Flash's powers, since the reboot of the new DC Universe, revolve around Barry Allen's return and his perfect connection to the Speed Force. It has been implied Barry is the Speed Force, personified making him the most powerful speedster on DC's Earth.

  • The Speed Force is a energy field which permeates all of space-time in the DC Universe and allows many of DCs most well known speedsters to defy the laws of physics.
  • Depending on the quality of a speedster's connection, each will be able to manifest a variety of superhuman abilities related to hyper-accelerated activity.
  • Almost all speedsters who can connect to the Speed Force can move at what is commonly called super-speed which includes, faster ground movement, heightened reflexes, heightened temporal perception and decreased reaction time.
  • They also have increased prioperception and exteroception - an awareness of their body's physical position, movement and a perfect awareness of what is around them. This is necessary for speedsters to prevent accidents and bumping into things at high speeds.
  • Barry's return from the Speed Force has altered his perception of his powers and his view of the real world. He can, focus on a series of events and determine the least amount of effort required to make those events happen.
  • It's a new and different way of depicting how the Flash controls his perception of time, space and his relationship to the world at large. Being as fast as he is, he appears to violate causality appearing to be everywhere at once. He isn't, but his speed can give him the illusion of simultaneity.
  • Depending on the writer, how the Flash handles relative simultaneity (how things appear to happen simultaneously in relationship to the viewer) varies widely.
  • In The Flash #2, the Flash (as Barry Allen) is standing outside of a storefront where a robbery is about to/has/will happen. He is shown experiencing a moment where he is able to perceive a series of events that will/has happened and then decides to make minor changes to the series of events so different results ensue.

As I said, blood thirsty flash with no morals win this fairly easily even with the nerf. :whew:
 

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So flash gets to be full power but Superman doesn't........ makes sence:mjgrin:. Yall really believe full power Flash can beat Superman one million?:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:
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Yall just saying whatever now:deadrose:
We not talking about an alternate superman

Flash can vibrate at a frequency where he can't be touched.
 

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Are we engaging in nerd talk? Is that what we're doing here?:steviej:.. bet. Nah nikkas superman wins str8 up!! He almost as fast as the flash and practically invincible. Lets do more threads like this:banderas:
actually he isn't, if you talking running, flash would runaround him easily
 

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Oh so the flash can fly now? I thought he needed to run to get in the speedforce:russ:. Yall acting like he teleports or some shyt :mjlol:. The flash cn't get into the speedforce if the god damn planet isn't there and even if he somehow did he couln't get back out so Superman wins:wow:
Why would he have to go into space? Flash is many times faster than the speed of light, so he'd escape into the speed force before the planet even explodes. Flash reaction time :wow:

And anyway


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That's SA Flash speeding across the universe and beating up on The Specter.

So flash gets to be full power but Superman doesn't........ makes sence:mjgrin:. Yall really believe full power Flash can beat Superman one million?:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:
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Yall just saying whatever now:deadrose:

All right. All right. So which Superman are we talking about? The thought robot (a universal/cosmic level being) would not have to lift a finger to beat the Flash most likely. Superman One Million? Some kind of composite of all his different versions? Which Flash? Wally or Berry? Silver Age Flash would probably body Superman One Million.
 

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So basically Superman Prime one Million is a better version of Superman ( who is already OP ) :skip:. But the Flash can beat him:pachaha:

Superman Prime One Million is a featless character as shown by my previous post :coffee:

Superman can't beat Flash without PIS either :coffee:
 

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Why would he have to go into space? Flash is many times faster than the speed of light, so he'd escape into the speed force before the planet even explodes. Flash reaction time :wow:

And anyway


saflaspchakvz.jpg


saflaspc2cmjox.jpg


That's SA Flash speeding across the universe and beating up on The Specter.



All right. All right. So which Superman are we talking about? The thought robot (a universal/cosmic level being) would not have to lift a finger to beat the Flash most likely. Superman One Million? Some kind of composite of all his different versions? Which Flash? Wally or Berry? Silver Age Flash would probably body Superman One Million.
Well since you brought up pre crisis into this Superman would just sneeze the whole solar system away:russ:
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Superman Prime One Million is a featless character as shown by my previous post :coffee:

Superman can't beat Flash without PIS either :coffee:
You talking about featless when its on record that Superman flicked the flash away like a bug. When has The Flash hurt Superman i don't remember:jbhmm:
 

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You talking about featless when its on record that Superman flicked the flash away like a bug. When has The Flash hurt Superman i don't remember:jbhmm:
You realize that Superman Prime One Million and New 52 Superman (the one who flicked the New 52 Flash) are two different characters right?
 
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