Is the lack of new starpower a real concern or do we just have to give it time?
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Undertaker is considered iconic mainly because of longevity though, that's my point. Honestly, his WM matches later in his career have helped his legacy a lot, especially the Michaels matches. He became well-known immediately because he came up at a time when wrestling was still hot (because of Hogan), but let's face it by the time the Attitude Era started his character was stale as fukk. Hell, he was basically a mid-carder for a majority of the time from 93-97. His only title run came when Michaels lost his smile and they needed a new WM13 main event. Then Austin and Rock came around and he rightfully changed his character with the times. If Austin/Rock never blow up its likely WWF dies out in the late 90s with 'Taker still playing the same old character. Now all those guys you mentioned were great supporting players, but they wouldn't have been big stars on their own IMO.
Same with the Hogan-era guys you mentioned, except Macho Man... but like take Warrior and Slaughter. Both failed in their runs on top for WWF. What does that tell you? Good supporting players, but there was one man who was THE big star. And when you have one big star on that level it makes everyone else around them look and feel more important and more popular. Your school teachers watched BECAUSE of Austin and Rock and that's how they knew of people like Val Venis.
That last sentence says it all to me, except you can't say that for every big star. Most big stars in WWF their push was a product of their popularity. In Reigns case its reversed, his popularity is a product of his push.
The Google shyt is skewed, because to me that doesn't measure popularity as much as interest. Reigns has been booked the strongest of anyone since Cena, so when you have someone put on every single promotional material sent all over the world, pushed as the top star on TV and in marketing, of course it's going to cause people - especially people in other countries (which is where a lot of his searches come from if you look at it) who barely see much WWE and can only really get access to the propaganda WWE pushes out - are going to look him up.
I would rather look at more solid numbers like merch, live attendance, ppv attendance and numbers, tv ratings, etc. We have no evidence Reigns has done anything to boost any of that, despite the massive push he's gotten. Obviously we don't have exact figures for most of that stuff, but when Meltzer says that WWE is still looking for that next big star to take Cena's case, clearly that means Reigns ain't got the juice
We'll agree to disagree, I think Roman is on the trajectory to being a A- level star if he isn't already one, but its pointless to debate since its not feasible to accurately measure this stuff to begin with and only time will tell. And if anything, Reigns not being a star propagates my point with this thread anyways
Mostly right but Sgt Slaughter was a star before going to WWF. The GI Joe character is based from the wrestler not the other way around, and when he won the title he was past his prime. A lot of the guys WWF signed in the hogan days (including hulk) were stars before ever stepping foot there. In my eyes, Warrior was the first guy that Vince McMahon made a star and he was so big of a star and draw that Vince brought him back 4 different occasions. Otherwise you're right though.
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My sister hasn't seen wrestling since Teddy Long "had a heart attack" and knows the Usos more than Roman Reigns
My sister hasn't seen wrestling since Teddy Long "had a heart attack" and knows the Usos more than Roman Reigns
Most of the people I know in their 30s know who Miz is but apparently he ain't even B- lol
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Vince don't care if YOUR age group don't like Reigns. The KIDS love Reigns. That's Vince cash cow, da kids.
When I was a kid, I liked who the adults liked. Attitude era wasn't geared towards kids, but the kid fandom exploded.
Kids are miniature idiots who like whoever is put in front of them as the protagonist. As a 9 year old mark I cheered my head off for the WWE in the Invasion just because that's who they told me to root for.
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Lmaoooo
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lmao at people bringing up Google trends like that nWoMemberBerries guy does. Who tf do you think is gonna have more interest? A guy with a rocketship push who main evented 2 WM's or DOLPH ZIGGLER.
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This. People should look at those old crowds. 9 year olds were loving the same things as late teens all the way up to the oldest person in the audience.
And where are these kids that love Roman Reigns??? Cena gets half and half reactions from women/kids vs men, Reigns gets nearly negative from most of everyone.
My sister hasn't seen wrestling since Teddy Long "had a heart attack" and knows the Usos more than Roman Reigns
Ok if yall really feel like The Uso's and Miz are bigger stars than Roman then there's no point in discussing the issue any further. If yall dont care for actual facts and prefer your own preconceived notions then idk what else to tell you
