Is "The Takeover" the most FACTUAL diss of all-time?

[MenacingMonk]

Jay stans being Jay stans.

 

[McPiff]

nas groupies being fakkits as usual and showing their emotions like scorned females

 

[JuvenileHell]

Jay stans are pathetic.

And no...No Vaseline owns this thread.

 

[L. Deezy]

All battle records by nature are very subjective but this one stands out for the sheer number of FACTS Jay was able to fit into it.

Lyrically it reads like a peer reviewed research paper.

"Sold more than your whole album sold in my first week" #FactsOnly
"Showed you your first Tec on tour with Large Professor" - Corroborated by those familiar with the situation
"When I was pushing weight, back in 88, you was a ballerina" - this one is up for review. likely off by more than a few years

The ENTIRE THIRD Verse is a blend of objective and subjective barbs. The ad-libs are just as vicious as the actual jabs. Listen to it and you can hear the cockiness in Jays delivery.


"you's the faq model for Karl Kani, Esco ads"

Maybe not faggy per se, but sus nonetheless.

"You Made it a hot line, I made it hot song" - Dead Presidents I and 2 are considered two of Jays strongest songs in his entire catalog.

Having listened to this record after 12 years it still sounds current. Drop some other FACTUAL disses from emcees.

No, You cant tell a double plat artist at the time he's irrelevant. so Jay loss off the break

 

[L. Deezy]

No, You cant tell a double plat artist at the time he's irrelevant. so Jay loss off the break

 

[thernbroom]

 

[seemorecizzy]

Mid way through the second verse up until the end of the third verse in ether is the most factual shyt ever said in a diss track. jay knew it and that's why he was so caught off guard and hurt by it
no vaseline has some facts in it, but its more vulgar den anything

 

[hu3ypdadon]

you got dyck suckin lips.....Jay got DSL's

You always been on my dyck/you love my style......Jay rapped like a crackhead for years, then switched up over night the minute Nas dropped

explode on this camel.....self explanatory

Krs already made an album called blueprint

are you dame diddy, dame daddy, or dame dummy/oh I get it you biggy and he puffy......they was definitely swagger jackin

how many more biggy rhymes are gunna come flyin out yo fat lips.....yep, "Im only biggin up my brotha" came out his own DSL's

you think you gettin girls now cause of yo looks.....I have never once heard a girl say she thought Jay was even remotely attractive

no moustache havin with whiskers like a rat.....yeah Jay always been havin that struggle dirt on his face

callin my crib and I aint even give you my number.....even nas aint creative enough to come up with that. Must be true

---just off the top of my head.

Nas opened up ether with FACTS tho

"You been on my dikk you love my style"<--FACT

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Oh, this thread again.

Ether >>>> Takeover

Nas still lost.​

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Lie: went from Nasty naS to Esco's trash/had a spark when you started but now you just garbage

truth is he went from naS is trash to Esco's trash didnt have a spark when he started and he's still garbage

Or to quote another NY MC, "From illmatic to stillmatic you still a fakket"

But other than that I'd say Takeover is pretty damn factual. Another factual one, "thats why i fukked yo bytch you fat muthafukka" "you claim to be a player but I fukked ya wife" "biggie smalls and jr mafia some mark as bytches" "biggie remember when I used to let you sleep on the couch" "now its all about Versace (dont even ask me how) you copy my style/5 shots couldnt drop me, I took it and smiled" "get out the way yo get out the way yo/biggie smalls just got dropped" etc

 

[MysteryT]

No it's not. IMO, I thought Takeover was corny. Just being honest about my personal feelings. It only got the hype it did because it was Jay. It was Jay's subjective opinions not facts. The main reason Jay lost the battle to Nas, is because he was so cocky thinking that because he was the giant, and had the world's ears, and his money/status, that he'd automatically win. He quickly realized he woke up a sleeping giant. The reason Ether hurt Jay so much, wasn't because the diss was factual or whatever, but because it wounded his ego, pride, manhood. Something his money and fame could not cover up. His insecurities got exposed. And that was way more damage than any "factual" diss record could ever do. It penetrated him as a human being. He got his humble pie that day.

 

[Food Mane]

All facts.

Cam spent 52,000 on minks that year? Check.
Stan took too much ecstasy and lost his mind? Check.
Stan asked Cam for a quarter and Killa just said no? Check.
Stan whipped the whip to the superbowl in south beach and got car jacked and pistol whipped? Check.
Stan fukked Big L's album up? Check.

 

[beenz]

Exactly why Takeover>>>>Ether.

I have ALWAYS said this since 2001 cuz the takeover was basically all factual whereas ether was mostly opinions and insults.

 

[Adam3000]

"4 album in 10 years, I can divide
Thats one every um say 2"



MATHEMATICAL FACT

 

[L. Deezy]

No it's not. IMO, I thought Takeover was corny. Just being honest about my personal feelings. It only got the hype it did because it was Jay. It was Jay's subjective opinions not facts. The main reason Jay lost the battle to Nas, is because he was so cocky thinking that because he was the giant, and had the world's ears, and his money/status, that he'd automatically win. He quickly realized he woke up a sleeping giant. The reason Ether hurt Jay so much, wasn't because the diss was factual or whatever, but because it wounded his ego, pride, manhood. Something his money and fame could not cover up. His insecurities got exposed. And that was way more damage than any "factual" diss record could ever do. It penetrated him as a human being. He got his humble pie that day.

END fukkING THREAD!!!! on point!