is Vince Carter a top 20 SG/SF?

[Techniec]

Hockey dominated that country breh.

Vince Carter laid the foundation for the popularity of basketball in Canada.

That team in Vancouver failed. The only reason why the Toronto franchise didn't was because of Vinsanity.

Theres no question VC took basketball in Toronto and Canada to a whole nutha level and laid the foundation for the franchise but Toronto was never gonna lose a franchise maaan

Don't compare us to biitch ass Vancouver full of cacs and Chinese

 

[torcher]

Prime Vince Carter wasn't a 3pt shooter, it wasn't until his legs started fukking up on him that he's shooting got better.

and like I said he was a career loser. The guy quit on the Raptors his last 2 years there and didn't accomplish shyt in New Jersey. So fukk him, he isn't top 20 sg/sf

He's a got damn role player

Whole post is ridiculous. Vince shot over 40% from 3 a bunch of times early in his career and how can you call him a career loaer whens he's had very few losing seasons?

 

[im not you]

Don't compare us to biitch ass Vancouver full of cacs and Chinese

The most common reported ethnic origins[3] of Toronto residents are those from England (12.9%), China (12.0%), Canada (11.3%), Ireland (9.7%), Scotland (9.5%), India (7.6%), Italy (6.9%),

 

[surv2syn]

dont get me wrong.....I love VC and he is going to be a HOFer by precident, because no one with his numbers has never failed to make it in. Top 10 SG or SF is kinda tough company. I would say top 15 perhaps, def top 20. @Trill Russell list is pretty good, he isnt better than any of those guys except Miller and Ginobili and thats debatable. Plus he left out Pistol Pete.

 

[Black Lightning]

Whole post is ridiculous. Vince shot over 40% from 3 a bunch of times early in his career and how can you call him a career loaer whens he's had very few losing seasons?

1999-2000- 40%
2000-2001- 41%
2004-2005- 41%

 

[Kamikaze Revy]

No doubt

 

[The_Third_Man]

Aside from dunking, what could he do?

Couldn't shoot or post up, only had one meaningful playoff run so to say top 20 all timeat sg/sf.. no.

The guy underachieved.

so if Vince can't shoot or post up, but still have a career average of 19 ppg in 17 year career (better stats than Worthy, Monroe, Reggie Miller, and Sam Jones). How is he an underachiever?

 

[nieman]

This new wave thinking of "Wins over everything" is really hindering a lot judgement. Vince is probably the most gifted SG of all-time. There's no way he isn't Top 10. Ray is my favorite SG of all-time, but I'll admit Vince was better. Hell, Tmac > AI but no one will admit that. The only knock on Vince is that he shied away from contact, early in his career. A good elbow or if you put him on his a$$, he was shooting jumpers for the rest of the game. But the disrespect is out of control.

 

[MikelArteta]

At one point you could have traded him Kobe straight up

It's kinda crazy how a lot of people forget or don't realize that Vince wasn't good, he was great. Prime Vince was the like the 4th/5th best SG of his era(depending what you labeled AI). Not like the SG position was that strong throughout NBA history anyway.

People love Ray Allen but he was never better than Vince Carter. People love Klay Thompson, but he ain't fukking with prime VC.

 

[MikelArteta]

Vince had years when he shot 38-40 plus % from three

His fadeaway was money, he was clutch as well

Aside from dunking, what could he do?

Couldn't shoot or post up, only had one meaningful playoff run so to say top 20 all timeat sg/sf.. no.

The guy underachieved.

 

[surv2syn]

so if Vince can't shoot or post up, but still have a career average of 19 ppg in 17 year career (better stats than Worthy, Monroe, Reggie Miller, and Sam Jones). How is he an underachiever?

I think people say he is an underachiever because he shouldve been an overall ATG. maybe not in the company of MJ, Kobe, or Bron, but he shouldve been in the same company as Wade/Drexler. He ended up being a notch below guys like Reggie and Ray because he gave off the impression that he dogged it at times. People watched him mail it in too many times to not believe that he wasnt maximizing his ability. He is basically in the same boat with T-Mac except T-Mac was a more dominant player and had a better prime. Vince only had 2 years where he could really be considered a top 10 player in the league while T-Mac arguably had 7 years....but 5 of those years for sure.

that's still saying something if most felt he underachieved and he is still going to make it to the Hall. I cant think of anyone who has scored 24,000 points and not got in.

 

[LurkMoar]

Not if you add small forwards but mos def top 10 shooting guard

 

[William F. Russell]

so if Vince can't shoot or post up, but still have a career average of 19 ppg in 17 year career (better stats than Worthy, Monroe, Reggie Miller, and Sam Jones). How is he an underachiever?

He underachieved given his inability to impose his will in big games and lead his team in the playoffs DESPITE his massive natural talent and athleticism which he, at times, took for granted. His lackadaisical attitude and lack of a winning mentality and/or killer instinct is what held him back. Still a hell of a player, though.

 

[surv2syn]

This new wave thinking of "Wins over everything" is really hindering a lot judgement. Vince is probably the most gifted SG of all-time. There's no way he isn't Top 10. Ray is my favorite SG of all-time, but I'll admit Vince was better. Hell, Tmac > AI but no one will admit that. The only knock on Vince is that he shied away from contact, early in his career. A good elbow or if you put him on his a$$, he was shooting jumpers for the rest of the game. But the disrespect is out of control.

respect your opinion, but I cant say he was better than Ray. if anything I would say that comparison is close to equal but then the edge goes to Ray for being able to win the chips. I agree, I am not one that puts unrealistic emphasis on wins but it does calculate for some measure of greatness, particularly toughness, resiliency, and clutch ability. Ray has all this over Vince. Plus about 3 more All Star appearances. Vince had his chance in Orlando with D12 but they just couldnt get it done that year.

 

[surv2syn]

He underachieved given his inability to impose his will in big games and lead his team in the playoffs DESPITE his massive natural talent and athleticism which he, at times, took for granted. His lackadaisical attitude and lack of a winning mentality and/or killer instinct is what held him back. Still a hell of a player, though.

couldnt have said it better myself.