is Vince Carter a top 20 SG/SF?

[The_Third_Man]

I think people say he is an underachiever because he shouldve been an overall ATG. maybe not in the company of MJ, Kobe, or Bron, but he shouldve been in the same company as Wade/Drexler. He ended up being a notch below guys like Reggie and Ray because he gave off the impression that he dogged it at times. People watched him mail it in too many times to not believe that he wasnt maximizing his ability. He is basically in the same boat with T-Mac except T-Mac was a more dominant player and had a better prime. Vince only had 2 years where he could really be considered a top 10 player in the league while T-Mac arguably had 7 years....but 5 of those years for sure.

that's still saying something if most felt he underachieved and he is still going to make it to the Hall. I cant think of anyone who has scored 24,000 points and not got in.

well according to the guy I was quoting, Vince wasn't skilled/talented but at the same time underachiever which doesn't make any sense.

 

[AJtheOne]

Edit: He bodied Alonzo Mourning so many times

 

[surv2syn]

Jerry West is a point guard, and a 70's player, if you're going to have old ass players that you've never seen play then you should atleast have Havlicek. Clyde isn't better than VC neither at his peak nor throughout his career despite him having more team success throughout his career, same with Ginobili.

breh....











Clyde was severely underrated but even still, no one should confuse him for Vince. Drexler and as I mentioned before, Wade, they were a notch above Vince. Drexler carried those Portland teams and was only roadblocked by

then Clyde still went to Houston and got a chip.

If there was no MJ at that time, Clyde wouldve been league MVP. Vince was never considered a top 5 player in the league, much less an MVP. Clyde was like a mini-Lebron back then and even recorded a quadruple double if I remember. He is one of the greatest players of all time to never win an MVP award.

 

[surv2syn]

well according to the guy I was quoting, Vince wasn't skilled/talented but at the same time underachiever which doesn't make any sense.

had all the talent in the world...but didnt look like a killer on the big stage with NJ or Orlando, meanwhile Ray Allen, also past prime is stepping up and saving Paul Pierce and Lebron's asses. at no time did VC ever look like he wanted to will his team to victory. the players he faced seemed to just want it more than he did. He is below Pierce, Drexler, Wade, those guys were mentally and physically tough. like I said, mentally, he is more like T-Mac, its just that T-Mac was even more gifted than Vince, hence the stronger prime showing.

 

[CarltonJunior]

breh....











Clyde was severely underrated but even still, no one should confuse him for Vince. Drexler and as I mentioned before, Wade, they were a notch above Vince. Drexler carried those Portland teams and was only roadblocked by

then Clyde still went to Houston and got a chip.

If there was no MJ at that time, Clyde wouldve been league MVP. Vince was never considered a top 5 player in the league, much less an MVP. Clyde was like a mini-Lebron back then and even recorded a quadruple double if I remember. He is one of the greatest players of all time to never win an MVP award.

I agree with all of that, but I still don't think he's above VC, if anything perhaps even. But I'm okay with it being an unpopular opinion. I just feel like if he didn't go to Houston to win that one chip then he wouldn't have been remembered nearly as fondly.

 

[Draje]

I like Vince a lot but I'm also a hater because nikkas would be disrespecting D-Gawd and Kobe when talking 'bout Vince

 

[stepbackj34spud]

. I've seen all the "old ass players" that I've listed play, albeit via replays of entire games shown on ESPN Classic/NBATV/Youtube. But, say if I didn't and we were to use your logic, does that mean that anybody under the age of 50 shouldn't be able to say that Muhammad Ali was one of the greatest boxers of all time? Does that mean that anybody under the age of 60 shouldn't be able to say that Bill Russell or Wilt Chamberlain weren't among the best to ever play in the NBA?

2. West was primarily a shooting guard, although he played point guard also. Hence, he should be acknowledged as one of the best SGs ever.

3. Havlicek definitely deserves praise but we're talking about best SGs of all time and Havlicek played primary as a SF. Hence, no discussion on Havlicek.

4. Clyde > Carter and it really isn't a debate. Clyde is the Trailblazers' all-time leading scorer and was an NBA champ, a 10x all-star, a Dream Team member, and a 5x all-NBA Team member. In the 94/95 NBA Finals, he averaged 22ppg, 10rpg, and 7apg as he and Hakeem led the Rockets to a championship. In his best statistical regular season (88/89), he averaged 27ppg (while shooting just a shade under 50% from the field), 6apg, 8rpg, and almost 2.7spg. Moreover, he was the prototype of the kind of player Vince Carter was in his prime.

nikka you haven't watched enough(if any) Sam Jones games to compare hil to any player. Sam Jones started playing pro ball in the 50s, you have those games on deck?

Miss me with your highlight reels, fakkit.

had all the talent in the world...but didnt look like a killer on the big stage with NJ or Orlando, meanwhile Ray Allen, also past prime is stepping up and saving Paul Pierce and Lebron's asses. at no time did VC ever look like he wanted to will his team to victory. the players he faced seemed to just want it more than he did. He is below Pierce, Drexler, Wade, those guys were mentally and physically tough. like I said, mentally, he is more like T-Mac, its just that T-Mac was even more gifted than Vince, hence the stronger prime showing.

 

[stepbackj34spud]

respect your opinion, but I cant say he was better than Ray. if anything I would say that comparison is close to equal but then the edge goes to Ray for being able to win the chips. I agree, I am not one that puts unrealistic emphasis on wins but it does calculate for some measure of greatness, particularly toughness, resiliency, and clutch ability. Ray has all this over Vince. Plus about 3 more All Star appearances. Vince had his chance in Orlando with D12 but they just couldnt get it done that year.

1. Ray Allen wasn't the best player on any of his championship teams. You're holding Ray winning chips over Vince like Allen carried those teams. That's a fukking joke.

2. Allstar games don't mean anything.. I'll say this again, Ray Allen wasn't even out right selected for half of his all star appearances.. He was an injury reserve 4/5 out of 10 appearances. Without people being injured, Allen would only be a 5 or 6 time all star. Vince was an 8 time all star with only one injury replacement selection.

3. Ray Allen wouldn't have gotten it done with that Howard's Magic team either. That team had absolutely nobody that could hold Paul Pierce, that's why they were so easily defeated. If you swap Ray with Vince they'd have even worse success.

 

[William F. Russell]

My ignore list game

Not having to read any posts by that babbling, autistic retard @Spud34

 

[GilSho]

Harden is better than Vince Carter & it's not even close.

 

[William F. Russell]

Harden is better than Vince Carter & it's not even close.

Prime Vinsanity had longevity and was a much better athlete than Harden, though. Let's wait until Harden's career is done before we make such declarations.

 

[GilSho]

Prime Vinsanity had longevity and was a much better athlete than Harden, though. Let's wait until Harden's career is done before we make such declarations.

Harden has had multiple seasons better than Vince Carter & his 14/15 was better than anything Vince has done. VC was obviously the far better athlete & more exciting to watch or the casual fan but Harden is the much better playmaker, scorer & ball-handler.

 

[William F. Russell]

Harden has had multiple seasons better than Vince Carter & his 14/15 was better than anything Vince has done. VC was obviously the far better athlete & more exciting to watch or the casual fan but Harden is the much better playmaker, scorer & ball-handler.

If Harden were to die tonight, he wouldn't have a better career than Carter. And he wouldn't make it into the Hall of Fame before Carter.

 

[William F. Russell]

nikkas are really in here arguing that Carter is better than Clyde and Ray Allen.

Millennials, y'all...

 

[DIMES]

1. Ray Allen wasn't the best player on any of his championship teams. You're holding Ray winning chips over Vince like Allen carried those teams. That's a fukking joke.

2. Allstar games don't mean anything.. I'll say this again, Ray Allen wasn't even out right selected for half of his all star appearances.. He was an injury reserve 4/5 out of 10 appearances. Without people being injured, Allen would only be a 5 or 6 time all star. Vince was an 8 time all star with only one injury replacement selection.

3. Ray Allen wouldn't have gotten it done with that Howard's Magic team either. That team had absolutely nobody that could hold Paul Pierce, that's why they were so easily defeated. If you swap Ray with Vince they'd have even worse success.

How u gonna hate Ray Allen when that dude saved the celtics so many times. Ray allen single handely won finals games every time he played.

Breh also got like 30 plus game winners for yall


The dude was 2 points away from leading his squad to finals in 2001... & We all know how bad the officiating was in that series