Bron stans are so pathetic in here 
Mike gives his true feelings of what he thinks of Zeke as a player in the next episode.
Mike gives his true feelings of what he thinks of Zeke as a player in the next episode.
Isiah Thomas Appreciation Thread
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Zeke has been getting hate well before this documentary so don't put this on MJ. The ex Pistons aren't helping themselves by coming off as haters everytime they're asked about The Bulls.
His failures with the Knicks, the sexual harassment case, etc sullied his name plus the Bad Boys weren't the most marketable bunch and their play style didn't make them fan favorites.
He's been largley forgotten as a player. His name was only coming up basketball wise when the Iverson/Zeke/best small guard comparisons were going on.
Magic was better and more likeable. MJ was the biggest thing in sports. Both played in bigger markets and overshadowed him. That's just how the game goes. No one talks about John Stockton either. A lot of legends aren't going to get their due with young fans.
You can't hate on someone you dominated. Beyond that, the Bulls are acting the same way. People stay acting like this is one sided, as if Mike and co. aren't still tight over a fukking handshake
. Guaranteed you would hear more about John Stockton if he was ever the best player on his team and/or if he had two rings, especially if they came at the expense of MJ, Magic, and Bird. MIke failed with the Wiz and the Bobcats (intentional) stay in the league cellar and he was a degenerate gambler that some say got his pops killed and others say got suspended. I say that to say, if the media told folks to like Zeke they would do as they were told.
Damn, D. Rose really had a similar upbringing to Zeke.
Trot LaRoc
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Lifelong Bulls fan but he is the 2nd best PG ever imo
Won titles without another superstar caliber player...Dumars was underrated as hell but wasnt an All NBA type guy
Won titles without another superstar caliber player...Dumars was underrated as hell but wasnt an All NBA type guy
viktordoomsecretwars
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He doesnt have a winning record against either Magic or Bird. Both of those players have two times as many wins than he does against them. Its always extremes with Isiah. Is either some underrate him or wayyyy overblow him. The truth is always somewhere in between
viktordoomsecretwars
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He had the better team in every championship he won. Magic missed almost the entire finals and Kareem was more than done in 1989. He was a ghost.
Bird had bone spurs in his foot and could barely move in 1988.
He didn't win beat any of the great teams without some asterick. He wasn't the underdog. His team was just better than the Celtics in 88 and Lakers in 89.
Isiah had Dumars, Aguirre, Rodman, Vinnie Johnson, Edwards (underrated), Dantley etc. He had a stacked team.
As for 2nd best PG ever. Oscar (many forget he was a PG), Curry and Magic are all better players. He's 4th at best
Cold truth. Mike's greatness is set. No need to make others look bad to push an unnecessary agenda.
Trot LaRoc
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Damn near every title could have an asterisk. You beat who is in front of you. I hate that shyt. The Warriors won a title with kyrie and love injured...does that not count.
Mike's first title was against a past their prime Lakers team...that not count?
Magic
Zeke
Big O
Stockton
Curry
CP3
That's my order
So if we gonna give asterisks for injuries do we only count 5 for Mike since Worthy and Byron were hurt in the 91 Finals? Steph only 2 because of the Cavs injuries in '15? Hell Zeke was hurt in the 88 Finals but the Pistons still took the LWO to 7 games?
Detroit Wave
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GOAT PG 
You can't hate on someone you dominated. Beyond that, the Bulls are acting the same way. People stay acting like this is one sided, as if Mike and co. aren't still tight over a fukking handshake
Pistons were beating The Bulls when MJ had no team. MJ was the best player in the league despite the playoff loses. He averaged 27, 30, and 32 in the three series they lost. Once Pippen ascended Detroit was lightwork. They swept them, ended their era, and won 6 titles.
Again Zeke's mistakes in his post playing career messed things up for him along with the fact that other players in the 90's overshadowed him. It wasn't a documentary.
YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy
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He's always been in my top 10.
Can't say I've seen many top 10's on this forum that include him though. This doc got everybody hot
Can't say I've seen many top 10's on this forum that include him though. This doc got everybody hot
ALonelyDad
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Dont forget how he treated Magic after HIV, he's not just hated because of handshake but his game and team should be appreciated more rather than being remembered as tough and dirty. They were a great team and should be celebrated
Forgot about that
It's not like the Pistons were written out of history. They're just not as interesting as the Celtics, Lakers, or Bulls. They didn't win as much as they did so they're not getting a celebration.
It's like the Rockets winning two in the middle of Chicago's two 3 peats. If you're team or it's stars aren't loved by the masses you're not getting love. Zeke just isn't a star like that and all those PR disasters he was a part of don't help.