Isiah Thomas finished top 5 in MVP voting one time in his whole career

[Street Knowledge]

Isiah Thomas put up a 25 point, 24 assist triple double against the Bullets during 1984 season. 6 days later he'd have another 23 point 25 assist game against the Mavericks, coming off a back-to-back.

NOBODY was doing that. That was Daly’s first year.

Zeke was outright dominant but changed when Daly reshaped the team. He easily would have put up MVP numbers but changed his game for the team

What part of his attempts per game didn’t drastically change during the finals years don’t you understand.

I get this narrative but it’s not based in much reality

 

[Street Knowledge]

Anyone saying he wasn't on Magic or Oscar level is fukkin high

Yes you fukkin kids he was THAT good.

If you think he was on the level of Magic Johnson then it’s best you don’t talk about basketball

Magic was arguably the best player of his era, the same era that Zeke played in.

 

[Street Knowledge]

You need a complete team to win

The rockets & suns were the best teams he ever played for

Suns went to the finals

Rockets the biggest challenge the warriors faced but cp3 got injured in game 5


The ‘87 Celtics were the weakest c’s team of the 80’s. If zeke didn’t choke the Pistons would have made the ‘87 finals they were up in game 5 with game 6 at home before zeke blew it. Boston never advanced past the 2nd round after 1987 pistons beat a declining Celtics team ,an injured lakers team (magic and scott were out for ‘89 finals) and a young bulls team who went 5,6,7 game’s consecutive years then swept the pistons when they were ready

Hyping up beating the 1988 Celtics or the 1989 Lakers went Magic missed the series is crazy to me.

Even if Magic was healthy, that was not the peak Lakers teams.

The peak bad boy pistons don’t hold a candle to the actual best teams of the 1980’s like The 83 Sixers, 85/87 Lakers and the 86 Celtics.

If we wanna keep it all the way real, those teams were transitional champions. They kept the belt hot during the window of the bulls not being ready, the fall of the lakers dynasty, and the Celtics getting old/injrured.

The minute another Dominant team emerged in the bulls they got sent packing and that was the end of their chapter. They didn’t even get old, they just couldn’t compete

 

[NYC Rebel]

What part of his attempts per game didn’t drastically change during the finals years don’t you understand.

He at one time was taking 19 shots per game early in his career while shooting 47%. This was an era where a PG shooting at 42% was exceptional. He curtailed his shot attempts as the Pistons became more successful.

Not sure why you are arguing when Chuck Daly said Zeke sacrificed his scoring for the good of the Pistons. Argue with Chuck

 

[Street Knowledge]

He at one time was taking 19 shots per game early in his career while shooting 47%. This was an era where a PG shooting at 42% was exceptional. He curtailed his shot attempts as the Pistons became more successful.

Not sure why you are arguing when Chuck Daly said Zeke sacrificed his scoring for the good of the Pistons. Argue with Chuck

I’ll argue with the fact that his last first team all nba season he averaged 16 shots per game and in the 1989 and 1990 championship seasons he averaged 15 and 16 shots per game.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Also Zeke sucked against the bulls in 89 and 90. I don’t know why he and fans hypes up this idea that “he” took them down.

1989 NBA Eastern Conference Finals - Bulls vs. Pistons | Basketball-Reference.com

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1990 NBA Eastern Conference Finals - Bulls vs. Pistons | Basketball-Reference.com

Summary and statistics for the 1990 NBA Eastern Conference Finals - Bulls vs. Pistons

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He was also dog shyt the year they got swept out and sent to irrelevance. So no different it’s just his teammates couldn’t carry him anymore

1991 NBA Eastern Conference Finals - Pistons vs. Bulls | Basketball-Reference.com

Summary and statistics for the 1991 NBA Eastern Conference Finals - Pistons vs. Bulls

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This Isiah Thomas mythology is getting torn to shreds today.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Also Zeke sucked against the bulls in 89 and 90. I don’t know why he and fans hypes up this idea that “he” took them down.

1989 NBA Eastern Conference Finals - Bulls vs. Pistons | Basketball-Reference.com

Summary and statistics for the 1989 NBA Eastern Conference Finals - Bulls vs. Pistons

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1990 NBA Eastern Conference Finals - Bulls vs. Pistons | Basketball-Reference.com

Summary and statistics for the 1990 NBA Eastern Conference Finals - Bulls vs. Pistons

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He was also dog shyt the year they got swept out and sent to irrelevance. So no different it’s just his teammates couldn’t carry him anymore

1991 NBA Eastern Conference Finals - Pistons vs. Bulls | Basketball-Reference.com

Summary and statistics for the 1991 NBA Eastern Conference Finals - Pistons vs. Bulls

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This Isiah Thomas mythology is getting torn to shreds today.

Sucked against the Bulls but had 20/7/5 and 17/8/6 for each series

But your fakkit ass about to reply back talking about FG%

 

[Street Knowledge]

Sucked against the Bulls but had 20/7/5 and 17/8/6 for each series

But your fakkit ass about to reply back talking about FG%

You want me to hype a guy for shooting less than 40 percent from the field

It wouldn’t be as bad if he didn’t stick his chest out and talmbout what he did versus the bulls

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

You want me to hype a guy for shooting less than 40 percent from the field

It wouldn’t be as bad if he didn’t stick his chest out and talmbout what he did versus the bulls

nikka you said he sucked. He put up good numbers

Your bytch ass nitpicking FG% for a 6'0 PG

 

[Bleed The Freak]

The Coli y'all......

Everyone and their mother has Zeke #2 but nikkas here pulling stats on a player who retired 30 years ago to make the case he was overrated on some Daryl Morey analytics shyt

 

[Street Knowledge]

nikka you said he sucked. He put up good numbers

Your bytch ass nitpicking FG% for a 6'0 PG

He didn’t put up good numbers by any stretch lol.

Dude was ass against the bulls. He had like 5 good games in about 4 series against them.

Dumars was better than him most of the time lowkey

 

[Street Knowledge]

The Coli y'all......

Everyone and their mother has Zeke #2 but nikkas here pulling stats on a player who retired 30 years ago to make the case he was overrated on some Daryl Morey analytics shyt

Everybody and the mother is who?

I don’t know the last time Isiah was seen as number 2 or ahead of curry on any GOAT pg list, and if someone had the opposite I would know to not take their opinion on ball serious.

 

[premier58]

You need a complete team to win

The rockets & suns were the best teams he ever played for

Suns went to the finals

Rockets the biggest challenge the warriors faced but cp3 got injured in game 5


The ‘87 Celtics were the weakest c’s team of the 80’s. If zeke didn’t choke the Pistons would have made the ‘87 finals they were up in game 5 with game 6 at home before zeke blew it. Boston never advanced past the 2nd round after 1987 pistons beat a declining Celtics team ,an injured lakers team (magic and scott were out for ‘89 finals) and a young bulls team who went 5,6,7 game’s consecutive years then swept the pistons when they were ready

I couldve sworn Boston made it to the ECF in 88, where the Pistons finally beat them

 

[Jean toomer]

Waking up to this zeke slander is absolutely appalling! MVP balloting is and always been a narrative driven exercise. Zeke was always a polarizing figure back in the day and didn’t shuffle and grin. Top 3 PG all time. The premise behind this thread is scandalous.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Dudes acting like being a facilitator, controlling the pace of the game and then taking over when necessary is a negative trait now

Like the Pistons had a snowballs chance in hell defeating MJ, Magic or Bird without him

You ain't defeating or being remotely competitive with those guys without being an all-time great

Pistons was Wizards status before he walked in the door

Big upping Paul who got locked up by a very flawed Bucks team while slandering Zeke

Still dancing around Paul blowing a 3-1 lead and 2-0 finals lead