Isiah Thomas finished top 5 in MVP voting one time in his whole career

[ReturnOfJudah]

Those Pistons are a TEAM. It was never about individual accolades

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Those Pistons are a TEAM. It was never about individual accolades

That's not the issue. Everyone knows that. It's dismissing Isiah's talent because of it that's the issue.

He did what was needed to win.

I've heard of dumb shyt on this board but nikkas saying Chris Fukkin Paul is better, who I LIKE and is a 1st ballot HOF, is comedy.

 

[ItzDaKiing]

What's to nitpick

The man has a winning record vs MJ, Magic and Bird.

He's on an extended Mt Rushmore

He's like Kareem. Doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves.

The man is much more impactful than a gotdman MVP ranking from reporters or the next morning stat sheet.

I guess Paul was better than Jason Kidd too huh

The Nets version of Jason Kidd is better than any iteration of Chris Paul

This gotta be Zeke, nikka said an extended mt Rushmore

 

[Bleed The Freak]

This gotta be Zeke, nikka said an extended mt Rushmore

I want you to name 3 point guards better than Isiah Thomas

At WORST he's #3.

Magic
Zeke
Oscar
Curry

If somebody wants to put Curry above Zeke I got no issue. I disagree but I can see why people do it.

There is no opinion seriously in basketball that I'm even remotely taking serious that Chris Paul is better than Isiah Thomas.

And absolutely he is on the Mount Rushmore of basketball. I really don't understand the absolute hatred of this guy if you love basketball.

I don't understand why scoring is the holy grail of measuring somebody's greatness.

Floor general-ship, ball handling, winning tenacity, will to win. Coming up big when it matters the most. Those are things that just don't show up when you look at somebody's stat sheet.

If we measured people just by the stats score sheet Dennis Rodman wouldn't even come close to being the player that he was in some of y'all eyes. He controlled the game sometimes just by being on the floor. Ditto with Isiah or Jason Kidd

 

[eastside313]

So now you want great players to be stuck on mediocre teams to prove your point

Isaiah Thomas and Jason Kidd are very similar in that you have to look beyond their scoring to see the impact they have on the game they can control the game scoring 12 points

Isiah was nothing like Kidd on offense. Isiah was a go to scorer.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Isiah was nothing like Kidd on offense. Isiah was a go to scorer.

Oh I understand that completely I'm simply saying that they can control the game without having 25 points

 

[god shamgod]

You stupid ass the Pistons were like top 10 in scoring when he was on the team.

I'm not even going to address this topic any further.

Go look at any rankings and show me where Chris Paul is ranked over Isiah Thomas

Chris Paul has passed zeke in everything

Points,assists,all nba,defense 1st team’s EVERYTHING more efficient better shooter,playmaker etc

led four different franchises to their highest wins ever(hornets,rockets,clippers,suns)

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Chris Paul has passed zeke in everything

Points,assists,all nba,defense 1st team’s EVERYTHING more efficient better shooter,playmaker etc

led four different franchises to their highest wins ever(hornets,rockets,clippers,suns)

I'm talking about non-statistical rankings bro. Not one credible historian will rank Paul over Zeke.

Just like no one puts Emmitt Smith as the greatest running back of all time due to yardage.

Like how is this conversation still going on this long.

First of all Chris Paul has played like 8 years longer than Isiah has

Second of all I don't care about the stats when I say who was the more effective player when I watch them play.

It's something about this generation where all that matters is your stats, stats stat stat stats.

I watched both of them play and I know exactly who's the better player.

Just like I don't care how many knockouts Wilder has

David Tua who never won a title was 10x better. What your eyes tell you sometimes matter more than what the stat sheet says.

I mean damn Forrest Gump won best picture over Pulp Fiction and Shawshank Redemption and you tell me what's the better movie.

 

[god shamgod]

I'm talking about non-statistical rankings bro. Not one credible historian will rank Paul over Zeke.

Just like no one puts Emmitt Smith as the greatest running back of all time due to yardage.

Like how is this conversation still going on this long.

First of all Chris Paul has played like 8 years longer than Isiah has

Second of all I don't care about the stats when I say who was the more effective player when I watch them play.

It's something about this generation where all that matters is your stats, stats stat stat stats.

I watched both of them play and I know exactly who's better player.

Just like I don't care how many knockouts Wilder

David Tua who never won a title was 10x better. With your eyes tell you sometimes matter more than what the stat sheet says

I did too , Chris Paul a better player/pg

Zeke gets way too much credit for beating an lakers team when magic missed games 2-4 of the finals,Celtics were old and the bulls were young he never beat them at their best

 

[FabTrey]

Chris Paul has passed zeke in everything

Points,assists,all nba,defense 1st team’s EVERYTHING more efficient better shooter,playmaker etc

led four different franchises to their highest wins ever(hornets,rockets,clippers,suns)

if cp3 won 2 chips in kobe/bron/curry era then yes. but he didn't win shyt. winning matters.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

I did too , Chris Paul a better player/pg

Zeke gets way too much credit for beating an lakers team when magic missed games 2-4 of the finals,Celtics were old and the bulls were young he never beat them at their best

Same Celtics team that just went to the NBA finals multiple times

The same Lakers team he took the seven games the year before.

And the same Michael Jordan that was hanging 60 points on damn near everybody.

What excuse does Chris Paul have considering he hasn't faced that level of player and hasn't won a goddamn thing

And the one time he got to the finals he blew a 2-0 lead

Why is nobody addressing that he blew a lead in the finals up two games?

Against all-time great such as Holiday and Middleton

 

[Bleed The Freak]

if cp3 won 2 chips in kobe/bron/curry era then yes. but he didn't win shyt. winning matters.

Thank you!

I understand championships have to be looked objectively .

You can't just say because a guy didn't win one that he's not a great player.

Dominique had crap for teammates while he was in Atlanta and that the team was even remotely good was a miracle. And he faced the Pistons, Celtics, Bucks etc in his prime.

Iverson dragged arguably the least talented team in quite sometime only to face a juggernaut.

But since folks want to compare him directly to Thomas, the fact of the matter is he's had more than enough talented teammates particularly on that Clippers team to have made some noise. And the 2-0 lead in the finals just can't happen.

If he blew that lead against the Miami Heat with LeBron, Wade and Bosh, I could understand. Or the Big 3 with KG, Pierce and Allen. That Milwaukee team is not some all-time great team.

Them flopping like they did is indefensible they were up 3-1 and were favored in a couple different series and did absolutely nothing and never got out of the second round

 

[god shamgod]

if cp3 won 2 chips in kobe/bron/curry era then yes. but he didn't win shyt. winning matters.

You need a complete team to win

The rockets & suns were the best teams he ever played for

Suns went to the finals

Rockets the biggest challenge the warriors faced but cp3 got injured in game 5

Same Celtics team that just went to the NBA finals multiple times

The same Lakers team he took the seven games the year before.

And the same Michael Jordan that was hanging 60 points on damn near everybody.

What excuse does Chris Paul have considering he hasn't faced that level of player and hasn't won a goddamn thing

And the one time he got to the finals he blew a 2-0 lead

Why is nobody addressing that he blew a lead in the finals up to games

The ‘87 Celtics were the weakest c’s team of the 80’s. If zeke didn’t choke the Pistons would have made the ‘87 finals they were up in game 5 with game 6 at home before zeke blew it. Boston never advanced past the 2nd round after 1987 pistons beat a declining Celtics team ,an injured lakers team (magic and scott were out for ‘89 finals) and a young bulls team who went 5,6,7 game’s consecutive years then swept the pistons when they were ready

 

[Bleed The Freak]

You need a complete team to win

The rockets & suns were the best teams he ever played for

Suns went to the finals

Rockets the biggest challenge the warriors faced but cp3 got injured in game 5


The ‘87 Celtics were the weakest c’s team of the 80’s. If zeke didn’t choke the Pistons would have made the ‘87 finals they were up in game 5 with game 6 at home before zeke blew it. Boston never advanced past the 2nd round after 1987 pistons beat a declining Celtics team ,an injured lakers team (magic and scott were out for ‘89 finals) and a young bulls team who went 5,6,7 game’s consecutive years then swept the pistons when they were ready

So now we going to act like that Clippers team that he played for didn't have championship aspirations and didn't have championship talent

They beat the Spurs in the first round when they had Tim Duncan, Ginobili and Tony Parker while they still had a decent amount of gas left in the tank.

And promptly shyt the bed in the second round blowing a 3-1 lead against the Rockets

And I like how you mentioned that he took the Suns to the finals but you still haven't expanded upon what happened after game two.

I have zero hate for the guy but I want you to specifically answer these two questions

- That Clippers team underachieved under his watch with a massive amount of talent
- His Phoenix Suns team imploded in the NBA finals after going up two games

 

[Street Knowledge]

Anyone thinking Zeke didn't get bushed in the late 80's for his Bird comments is totally blind.

You got dudes like Bill Simmons who openly despise dude and acting like that wasn't widespread

Bill Simmons was a nobody in the 1980’s sports media scene so his opinion is irrelevant