Isiah Thomas GOES OFF on this current NBA era

[El Coupeacabra]

You don't get to be as technically sound as Jordan or Kobe without excessive practice & a deep understanding of exactly what needs to be done .

Kobe aint gonna just say spin & shoot. He's gonna tell you which foot to pivot, how low to get, how to use your body to create space, etc, because that's the process he went through to learn it




Are you dumb?

Why didn't Kobe teach Shaq how to shoot free throws???
So you want them to practice & train enough to be GOAT level players while also being the team's shooting coach at the same time?


Yea Jordan probably didn't marvel at his own footwork, but I'm sure he worked his ass off to get it. You can't learn 7'1, but you can learn skills & fundamentals.

Bro...read what you just said...if Kobe Bryant goes up to Shaq and says "Pivot off your left foot, bend your knees about this much, use your shoulder to make a little space, and hit the fade away."

That.
Is.
Exactly.
What.
I.
Said.

He's saying "do this, make this shot." Because HE is capable of that. Shaq is NOT capable of that so no matter how much they go over that Shaq ain't going out there hitting dreamshakes

A good coach, or analyst, or development staff member says to Shaq "hey, you don't quite have the footwork for that so keep working on that baby hook and we'll call plays so that you can get that shot."

A bad coach a-la imaginary coach Kobe says "Remember what we worked on! Triple pump fake into a drop step while double teamed and fade away over 3 defenders! He traveled again?!?! He airballed?!?! Why don't they get this??? Its just a simple fade away!"

And y'all have yet to provide me with one single superstar who went on to coach superstardom into another player. If it was simply "deep understanding of the game" then Olajuwon would've turned Dwight into a post up monster while he was in Houston right? No? Huh...that's crazy

 

[NYC Rebel]

The "rationale" behind it sucks. You don't make rational arguments in these dicussions because you clearly have an agenda. You just said that these Raptors who up until last year couldnt even get out of the first round of the playoffs with homecourt advantage are better than the 90s Knicks. The Raps got lucky last year to get out of the first two rounds. The Pacers and Heat were both maligned with injuries and they still barely got past them. Yet they would've beat the 90s Knicks? The only shot that these Raps would have is if the 90s Knicks had to play under these soft ass rules and couldn't tweak their team to fit this era. You add a couple shooters to that team and they'd have no problems in this era.

The "scoring drought Knicks" played in a different era and played a different game. The game isn't the same as it was back then. You never acknowledge that when you go on these 90s-hate campaigns. That's why your position isn't to be taken seriously. You're just hating.

These dudes have agendas bruh. It's corny shyt.

The Pacers also had notorious scoring droughts. These were bad shooting teams who wouldnt be able to overcome the three ball of today's NBA. I'm sorry.

Go back to dr. Melphing someone else.

 

[Trip]

So the BEST team that Ray Allen ever "led" was one where All-star Glenn Robinson was at his side averaging just as many points as he was (even though Ray's primary contribution was scoring/shooting) and peak Sam Cassell averaging nearly as many as both of them.

And that team still lost to a Sixers team that got washed in the Finals.

That's my point. Ray Allen was the GOAT shooter of the 2000s, and he still wasn't going anywhere as the single dominant star of a team. A team with Reggie Miller or Ray Allen or Klay Thompson as the only "superstar" is not a true title contender.






Charles Barkley ain't doing none of that. I'm suspicious about Isaiah Thomas too, considering how horribly his post-playing career in basketball has gone.






Are you talking about the series where he finished with 45 points in Game 7 and took the champs to the brink despite his #2 being worse than their #4?

The series where he finished with a 28-19-10 triple-double in Game 6 while holding Pierce to a ridiculous 13-5-5 on 34% shooting for the series?

The series where he finished the Celtics in 5 by snatching their soul with clutch threes in the fourth of every game?

Or the series where he had the epic 45-15-5 elimination Game 6 that finished the Celtics for good?

Please, tell me which series it was the Lebron got "hoed out" by Paul Pierce.






Are you talking about the series where he averaged 39-8-8 on 50% shooting, hit a game-winning three in Game 2 and nearly hit back-to-back threes to win Game 4???

What kind of alternative reality do you live in?






Probably the same stuff that Kobe Bryant, Ron Artest, Draymond Green, Lance Stephenson, Joahkim Noah, Paul Pierce, etc. did to him mentally....nothing.

I'm sure it was magic era dust that made skinny frail players like Chris Mullin and Tom Chambers and Jerome Kersey and James Worthy immune from the Detroit mystique, but Lebron would have crumbled.

Hell, he had Mutumbo break his freaking nose with an elbow when he was a couple months into his rookie season, and it didn't "break him mentally" at all.





Magic only averaged 20ppg FOUR times in his entire career, regular season or playoffs.

He won a championship in 1980 averaging 18.3ppg in the playoffs, a championship in 1982 averaging 17.4ppg in the playoffs, a championship in 1985 averaging 17.5ppg in the playoffs, and a championship in 1988 averaging 19.9ppg in the playoffs. He had ONE title run where he averaged 20+ppg....and that was only 21.8.

He ain't going to the HOF, much less be considered top-5 all-time, on no "ppg".


And you completely ignored Bill Russell, who never even scored on Magic's level, yet dominated his era and is considered by many to be a top-10 player ever, to the point where casuals were upset that he got left off Lebron's "Mt. Rushmore".






Rick Mahorn was taken in the 1989 expansion draft, not 1990.

And I guess no one can give credit to Jordan overcoming the Bad Boy Pistons anymore, because according to you he NEVER beat them, right?

And you admit that the NBA team quality gets worse whenever expansion happens...which came in 1988 AND 1989 AND 1995.

There isn't one player who won championships by himself. Look at KG in Minnesota. No one should dock him on his career because his teammates sucked. Put Duncan on those Twolves teams and he ain't winning shyt either.

 

[Gravity]

The Pacers also had notorious scoring droughts. These were bad shooting teams who wouldnt be able to overcome the three ball of today's NBA. I'm sorry.

Go back to dr. Melphing someone else.

Again, no mention of the difference in the rules and how they game is called by the refs. Those teams went through scoring droughts when you could actually play physically tough defense. We saw in the finals how differently these teams can look if they're allowed to play more physical defense. Shout to the Big O. The final score of game 7 last year was 93-89. That's right, the Warriors with all of that fire power and 3 point shooting could only manage 89 points in the biggest game of their lives. Cleveland actually kept them under 100 in 3/7 games and that's becUse they were allowed to play them physically on defense. Your "90s squads just couldn't score enough" point is invalid my man.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Again, no mention of the difference in the rules and how they game is called by the refs. Those teams went through scoring droughts when you could actually play physically tough defense. We saw in the finals how differently these teams can look if they're allowed to play more physical defense. Shout to the Big O. The final score of game 7 last year was 93-89. That's right, the Warriors with all of that fire power and 3 point shooting could only manage 89 points in the biggest game of their lives. Cleveland actually kept them under 100 in 3/7 games and that's becUse they were allowed to play them physically on defense. Your "90s squads just couldn't score enough" point is invalid my man.

It wasn't the rules. It was expansion and the watering of the NBA.

 

[Dark is the night]

Kerr wasn't no damn hall of fame as a player he's only going in as a coach he was literally a poor mans Kyle korver and OAK ain't going to no damn hall of fame go head with the bullshyt

I guaran fukking tee kerr goes if john stockton who couldnt get a ring and just passes the fukking ball and never hit a clutch shot in his whole damn career got in

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Again, no mention of the difference in the rules and how they game is called by the refs. Those teams went through scoring droughts when you could actually play physically tough defense. We saw in the finals how differently these teams can look if they're allowed to play more physical defense. Shout to the Big O. The final score of game 7 last year was 93-89. That's right, the Warriors with all of that fire power and 3 point shooting could only manage 89 points in the biggest game of their lives. Cleveland actually kept them under 100 in 3/7 games and that's becUse they were allowed to play them physically on defense. Your "90s squads just couldn't score enough" point is invalid my man.

They called MORE fouls in that era, and for most of the game were playing LESS defense. They could hand-check, but they also weren't playing 48 minutes of D, had far more fast-breaks until at least the mid-90s because no one cared, and were forced to play one-on-one defense because they couldn't zone.

How the hell were freaking Terry Porter and Jerome Kersey and Kevin Duckworth so tough that the Blazers were averaging 115ppg without a post presence or a three-point game? Those were three 15ppg scorers as your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options and no one thought they were tough at all. Hell, Clifford fukking Robinson was a 2nd-team All-Defense power forward at like 6'10" 225 pounds in the late 1990s and he was soft as hell beanpole averaging like 4 fukking rebounds a game. (No clue how that happened btw. He was our 6th man for the longest and I don't even remember that all-defensive shyt.)


1. They were worse shooters, especially from three.

2. They were worse ballhandlers, with fewer moves, less ability to use their left, and less speed.

3. They had simpler offensive sets.

4. They had simpler defenses. Many guys weren't even taught how to switch correctly on picks.

5. The talent pool was smaller because basketball wasn't as popular as other sports in the 1970s (and crack) and foreign talent hadn't come in with numbers yet.

6. Talent was additionally diluted by expansion.

7. Players were much skinnier, more often flabby or stiff, and obviously weaker.


Which of those seven facts about the 1990s can you deny?

 

[Gravity]

It wasn't the rules. It was expansion and the watering of the NBA.

What does expansion an the water of down of the league have to do with the 90s Knicks and Pacers?

Why deny that they literally changed the rules and the way that the game is called to open it up and increase scoring(to make it more non black friendly as well)? If love to see cats like you tryna argue people like Zeke down.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

He's saying "do this, make this shot." Because HE is capable of that. Shaq is NOT capable of that so no matter how much they go over that Shaq ain't going out there hitting dreamshakes

this nikka is an idiot

that's shaq vs mj.... mj getting shook off by what's that????????????

a motherfukking dream shake and excellent footwork


but you wouldn't know about that... cause you never watched a season full of magic games... cause you only see youtube highlights






keep watching youtube highlights brehs

 

[Supreme365]

I guaran fukking tee kerr goes if john stockton who couldnt get a ring and just passes the fukking ball and never hit a clutch shot in his whole damn career got in

What do you get out of trolling

 

[NYC Rebel]

What does expansion an the water of down of the league have to do with the 90s Knicks and Pacers?[

What it has to do with both teams is that it forced the Knicks to take on Kiki Vandeweogh, Rolando Blackman, Doc Ricers and other past their prime has beens to fill their rosters and depend on to provide dependable play. Tons of dude who should have no longer been in the league were employed.

I liked Derek Harper as a Knick. I even interviewed him. But I also know that he SCARED me as a Mav facing my 80s Lakers and the Knick version I saw was lower tier player. Same with old ass X-Man who I saw catch a tech at the Garden when he flipped out on Johnny Newman who dunked on him and threw the ball at X with X paying him back later in the game dunking on him....in the 80s. He too ended up being a has been Knick contributor. These were shytty teams who mastered the art of struggle ball.

Why deny that they literally changed the rules and the way that the game is called to open it up and increase scoring(to make it more non black friendly as well)? If love to see cats like you tryna argue people like Zeke down.

NBA players saw the zone as harder to score on, but here you are calling it easier

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Kerr wasn't no damn hall of fame as a player he's only going in as a coach he was literally a poor mans Kyle korver and OAK ain't going to no damn hall of fame go head with the bullshyt

I'm telling yo breh it's downright freaky how people online overrate Jordan's teams.

Keep in mind these are the same people who also say the rockets would've beaten Jordan if he didn't retire

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

There has to be Balance, all offense an no defense? Or 80's all defense and no offense?

I think the perfect balance was from 93-2005 where you could run but you could also be pyshical without slowing the game down too much.
Championship teams had to be great on offense an defense, had to have shooters and post up players.
No all you have is shooters, little to no post play,
Most teams don't even need a center, that's how bad it is.

This is literally the video game era, Kobe would of put up 110 points in a game instead of the 80, he got 60 in his last game at 37, people wanna say the jazz played soft..lol when don't they play soft...the league is soft aside from the cavs and cousins from Sacramento image him a more pyshical team...wow he would be champ by now.

There was no balance from 99-2004. Teams literally couldn't score which is why they changed the rules. There was a period where you could hand check and you zone up and teams like the Pistons took full advantage.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

This forum the only group of people I've heard of consistently hating 90's basketball

It's weird anti-nostalgia thing

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Yet you ignore the coherent rational behind it

And yet it's still stupid