Isiah Thomas GOES OFF on this current NBA era

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Walt keeps saying it every single game, boxing out is a lost art. Also with hese rules and better 3 pt shooting you can't camp in the lane. Even boxing out and fighting for the rebound might get you called for a foul now, whne it used to be lmuch less fouls called. So I guess everyone relies more on timing and positionning, 2 things that smaller players can also do, especially to steal rebounds or "sneak in".

True...the rule changes have taken the physicality out of the game and they call touch fouls on big men. Also with teams shooting 30 and 40 threes a game there are more longer rebounds.
 

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True, so does today's dudes. They are more skilled and better 3 point shooters than them players back then.
Turtle foot English and slow behind Kiki had 47 and 51 respectively. Those dudes were sloths compared to dudes of today, so let's not make excuses why they are great.

I think great scorers could play in any era.

Take this story for example. Bob Mcadoo was in his 50s or early 60s and would play pickup games with the young heat players as an assistant coach. He would murder the young heat players so bad that the head coach would not allow him to play one on one with the young players because he would beat them so bad that the coaches felt it was hurting their confidence.

That is how great bob mcadoo was even as a old man.
 

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He's wrong IMO. Players get more open shots because there are better shooters and more floor spacing, player movement and ball movement. Steve Smith says send a double, but that's how a lot of teams get burnt. If you double someone on a good passing team, they're going to pick you apart and get even easier looks. He calls big men soft but I feel there some good big men out there but they can only do so much when their PF has to play out at the 3 pt line against a stretch 4, or 5. He complains about guys like Westbrook being able to get rebounds but he's a freak of nature. He's usually the most athletic guy on the court and has the best motor. Basically he wants to bring back being able to foul guys since they can't move their feet fast enough to stay in front. They just need to accept the 3ball is a big part of the game and if a team has shooters the defense is going to have a lot of driving lanes to expose.

The shooters are better because you can't close on them properly to challenge their shot or it's a foul. They also know they are going to get to go through a full shooting motion because the follow through is now part of a shot now and if you touch a guy after he has already released the ball it is a foul.

There is more floor spacing because you can't touch the ball handler so you pretty much have no choice but to concede space to him. You go under a screen to hard and have contact with the ball handler it's a foul. You go over the screen to hard and have enough contact with the person setting the screen that is a foul.

Ditto for ball movement because the man who has the ball get's this invisible buffer around him.

If the nba brought back hand checking and did away with the follow through is part of the shot rule then within a few years almost nobody would shoot a 3...it would be a grossily inefficient shot since the defender would be allowed to just ride the shooters hip AND have contact with them after the ball is released...

People act like floor spacing and ball movement just magically happened...when in reality they happened because the current rules make it the most efficient way to play basketball...

It becomes viable to have a "stretch 4" now since the rules pretty much outlaw any type of charles oakley or dennis rodman type player who pretty much spent the entire game maiming other big men when they were on defense
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
The shooters are better because you can't close on them properly to challenge their shot or it's a foul. They also know they are going to get to go through a full shooting motion because the follow through is now part of a shot now and if you touch a guy after he has already released the ball it is a foul.

There is more floor spacing because you can't touch the ball handler so you pretty much have no choice but to concede space to him. You go under a screen to hard and have contact with the ball handler it's a foul. You go over the screen to hard and have enough contact with the person setting the screen that is a foul.

Ditto for ball movement because the man who has the ball get's this invisible buffer around him.

If the nba brought back hand checking and did away with the follow through is part of the shot rule then within a few years almost nobody would shoot a 3...it would be a grossily inefficient shot since the defender would be allowed to just ride the shooters hip AND have contact with them after the ball is released...

People act like floor spacing and ball movement just magically happened...when in reality they happened because the current rules make it the most efficient way to play basketball...

It becomes viable to have a "stretch 4" now since the rules pretty much outlaw any type of charles oakley or dennis rodman type player who pretty much spent the entire game maiming other big men when they were on defense


The stretch big started with the 94-95 Rockets, when they started Horry at the 4, even though he had previously played the 3. That was with handchecking, he took 4 a game, then 6 a game the next season.

Handchecking had nothing to do with with Oakley types vanishing from the league and more to do with the zone being implemented and teams with smaller bigs (Pistons) being able to defend teams with larger bigs (Lakers) because they could shrink the floor and effectively double a player like Shaq without the ball.
 

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The shooters are better because you can't close on them properly to challenge their shot or it's a foul. They also know they are going to get to go through a full shooting motion because the follow through is now part of a shot now and if you touch a guy after he has already released the ball it is a foul.

There is more floor spacing because you can't touch the ball handler so you pretty much have no choice but to concede space to him. You go under a screen to hard and have contact with the ball handler it's a foul. You go over the screen to hard and have enough contact with the person setting the screen that is a foul.

Ditto for ball movement because the man who has the ball get's this invisible buffer around him.

If the nba brought back hand checking and did away with the follow through is part of the shot rule then within a few years almost nobody would shoot a 3...it would be a grossily inefficient shot since the defender would be allowed to just ride the shooters hip AND have contact with them after the ball is released...

People act like floor spacing and ball movement just magically happened...when in reality they happened because the current rules make it the most efficient way to play basketball...

It becomes viable to have a "stretch 4" now since the rules pretty much outlaw any type of charles oakley or dennis rodman type player who pretty much spent the entire game maiming other big men when they were on defense


This post is gospel should be a thread you cant contest shots anymore
 

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The stretch big started with the 94-95 Rockets, when they started Horry at the 4, even though he had previously played the 3. That was with handchecking

So Otis Thorpe wasnt they start ING 4?
 

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The stretch big started with the 94-95 Rockets, when they started Horry at the 4, even though he had previously played the 3. That was with handchecking, he took 4 a game, then 6 a game the next season.

Handchecking had nothing to do with with Oakley types vanishing from the league and more to do with the zone being implemented and teams with smaller bigs (Pistons) being able to defend teams with larger bigs (Lakers) because they could shrink the floor and effectively double a player like Shaq without the ball.

Actually we can say the pistons started the stretch 4 with lambeer playing the 4 and buda playing the 5. Laimbeer would routinely stretch the floor and knock down threes.

The rockets also used bullard off the bench as a stretch 4 and would run hakeem or even thorpe at the 5 when they went to the bench with bullard in the 93 - 94 season.

The difference was that pistons team did not shoot 3s at the volume that the rockets did. But first team to shoot 3s at a high volume in the 90s was the 92-93 barkley suns teams.
 
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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
So Otis Thorpe wasnt they start ING 4?


Traded for your namesake.


Horry was put at the 4, started launching threes, took 7 a game vs the Magic in the finals. To put in perspective, he took 209 shots in the playoffs that year, 110 were threes.
 

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The shooters are better because you can't close on them properly to challenge their shot or it's a foul. They also know they are going to get to go through a full shooting motion because the follow through is now part of a shot now and if you touch a guy after he has already released the ball it is a foul.

There is more floor spacing because you can't touch the ball handler so you pretty much have no choice but to concede space to him. You go under a screen to hard and have contact with the ball handler it's a foul. You go over the screen to hard and have enough contact with the person setting the screen that is a foul.

Ditto for ball movement because the man who has the ball get's this invisible buffer around him.

If the nba brought back hand checking and did away with the follow through is part of the shot rule then within a few years almost nobody would shoot a 3...it would be a grossily inefficient shot since the defender would be allowed to just ride the shooters hip AND have contact with them after the ball is released...

People act like floor spacing and ball movement just magically happened...when in reality they happened because the current rules make it the most efficient way to play basketball...

It becomes viable to have a "stretch 4" now since the rules pretty much outlaw any type of charles oakley or dennis rodman type player who pretty much spent the entire game maiming other big men when they were on defense

True and one more big thing that helps these shooters be so open.....MOVING PICKS. The league laxed the moving pick laws in the mid 2000s. That really helped scoring.
 

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The 80s Zeke starred in had barely any defensive only specialists as players. If you were a Kelly Tripuka type who averaged 27 ppg with Zeke and could shoot, you got burn.

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I don't even know why I wanted to post this video, but when you mentioned Kelly Tripuka I just remember that Jordan posterized him:



The video had nothing to do with the topic nor anything that you said, but the Kelly Tripuka mention brought back the dunk in my mind. That dunk was sick at full speed. Oh and that was Rex Chapman that Jordan spinned around like a top at the free throw line.
 

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The shooters are better because you can't close on them properly to challenge their shot or it's a foul. They also know they are going to get to go through a full shooting motion because the follow through is now part of a shot now and if you touch a guy after he has already released the ball it is a foul.

There is more floor spacing because you can't touch the ball handler so you pretty much have no choice but to concede space to him. You go under a screen to hard and have contact with the ball handler it's a foul. You go over the screen to hard and have enough contact with the person setting the screen that is a foul.

Ditto for ball movement because the man who has the ball get's this invisible buffer around him.

If the nba brought back hand checking and did away with the follow through is part of the shot rule then within a few years almost nobody would shoot a 3...it would be a grossily inefficient shot since the defender would be allowed to just ride the shooters hip AND have contact with them after the ball is released...

People act like floor spacing and ball movement just magically happened...when in reality they happened because the current rules make it the most efficient way to play basketball...

It becomes viable to have a "stretch 4" now since the rules pretty much outlaw any type of charles oakley or dennis rodman type player who pretty much spent the entire game maiming other big men when they were on defense

it becomes viable to have a stretch 4 because you cant run a good offense with 4 big men clogging up the paint, with most defenses trying hard to pack the paint to not give up layups.

you can touch the defender you cant extend your hand and push them and i dont see a problem with that. guys setting screens get called for fouls far more than the man being picked.

there is so much space because there is too much ground to cover with teams like GS and houston. these dudes are even at the 3 pt line, they are two and 3 ft behind ready to shoot it.

it seems to me hes basically crying because they cant foul people like they used to because that was the only way they could defend.
 

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I don't even know why I wanted to post this video, but when you mentioned Kelly Tripuka I just remember that Jordan posterized him:



The video had nothing to do with the topic nor anything that you said, but the Kelly Tripuka mention brought back the dunk in my mind. That dunk was sick at full speed. Oh and that was Rex Chapman that Jordan spinned around like a top at the free throw line.


Breh I remember that game as a kid and saw that shyt live. That was a hell of a game too.
 
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