Isiah Thomas GOES OFF on this current NBA era

[The Devil's Advocate]

You ducked my question so let me ask you this...

Why didn't Kobe teach Shaq hoe to shoot free throws?

Why didn't Jordan make Rodman a killer midrange shooter?

Why haven't Steph and Klay and KD turned Draymond into the 4th sniper?

Because you have to be born with that talent level period. If its not there, its not there. You ever tried to explain the concept of paying bills to a 5 year old? You can't. Their minds can't comprehend the idea, its basically a foreign language to them.

That's what the talent disparity is like in the NBA. You cannot explain greatness. I'm sure Jordan could draw up a play for Kobe and he would be right there with him because they have the same mindset. Draw that same play up for Steve Nash and he won't get it. Not because he's not talented or smart but he doesn't have that approach to the game.

Obviously players watch film. But I asked exactly, do they watch their OWN HIGHLIGHT FILM for a reason. I bet you Jordan didn't sit around and marvel at his own post up footwork. Not to say he didn't study it, but he didn't sit and analyze it and break it down and try to understand it inside and out because HE DIDN'T NEED TO. He had it down pat, it was second nature.

To him its simply "Post up, fake the pass turn around, shoot." That's all he had to think about because god-given talent did the rest. He couldn't teach you to have a perfect fade away any more than Shaq could teach you how to be 7'1.

I guess I didn't answer cause that has shyt to do with what we were talking about. Which was do I believe NBA hofs know more about the game of basketball than the members of the coli


No that shyt is not god given talent. Larry bird used to break into the gym and wouldn't leave until he made 100 shots in a row. Every night

MJ got cut from his high school team. And was a terrible shooter until he learned better. Then advanced again with post moves and a fadeaway


Kobe is known as one of the hardest workers of all time. Never not working on basketball, even in the off season

Magic himself said he was a shytty shooter and spent all offseason after losing in the finals, working on his shot


Shaq himself said he paid players to come teach him free throws and he was even good in practice. But he had terrible wrists and during gameplay it was worse and he just couldn't do it


Rodman himself said he never cared to score and described how many rebounds he got vs shot attempts. It would be easy for him to just throw it back in considering where he got the ball and he just never cared to.




So yes. To answer direct. Players did watch their own highlights and game film and assess what they did right and wrong. Then spend time on correcting it, improving it and learning new techniques

Lebron and these other dudes going to Hakeem for a reason. And Hakeem can teach them because he knows exactly what he did in the game that worked and was effiencient. And lebron suddenly developed a post game immediately after going to him.

This shyt ain't no gods gift breh. Height is. That's about it. Everything else is training, practice, learning and weight room.

 

[YaBoy]

Peep game...players are actually the worst people to listen to BECAUSE they're just natrually brilliant at what they do. Look at all the coaches in the league and tell me how many played at a hall of fame level??

Kobe Bryant cannot explain how to make ridiculous contested shots. Michael Jordan cannot teach you perfect post up footwork. Those two guys would be terrible coaches because their advice would literally be "shoot the ball and make it."

Most coaches and developmental staff are marginal players who stuck around thorough intense practice and knowledge of the game. Most analysis can't play a lick of basketball but can explain it 1000% better than the average player because they HAVE to learn and understand the game.

Do you think players watch highlight film of themselves and say "damn I go hard as shyt...let me watch my own tape to see exactly why I go so damn hard!" ???

You don't get to be as technically sound as Jordan or Kobe without excessive practice & a deep understanding of exactly what needs to be done .

Kobe aint gonna just say spin & shoot. He's gonna tell you which foot to pivot, how low to get, how to use your body to create space, etc, because that's the process he went through to learn it

You ducked my question so let me ask you this...

Why didn't Kobe teach Shaq hoe to shoot free throws?

Why didn't Jordan make Rodman a killer midrange shooter?

Why haven't Steph and Klay and KD turned Draymond into the 4th sniper?

Because you have to be born with that talent level period. If its not there, its not there. You ever tried to explain the concept of paying bills to a 5 year old? You can't. Their minds can't comprehend the idea, its basically a foreign language to them.

That's what the talent disparity is like in the NBA. You cannot explain greatness. I'm sure Jordan could draw up a play for Kobe and he would be right there with him because they have the same mindset. Draw that same play up for Steve Nash and he won't get it. Not because he's not talented or smart but he doesn't have that approach to the game.

Obviously players watch film. But I asked exactly, do they watch their OWN HIGHLIGHT FILM for a reason. I bet you Jordan didn't sit around and marvel at his own post up footwork. Not to say he didn't study it, but he didn't sit and analyze it and break it down and try to understand it inside and out because HE DIDN'T NEED TO. He had it down pat, it was second nature.

To him its simply "Post up, fake the pass turn around, shoot." That's all he had to think about because god-given talent did the rest. He couldn't teach you to have a perfect fade away any more than Shaq could teach you how to be 7'1.

Are you dumb?

Why didn't Kobe teach Shaq how to shoot free throws???
So you want them to practice & train enough to be GOAT level players while also being the team's shooting coach at the same time?


Yea Jordan probably didn't marvel at his own footwork, but I'm sure he worked his ass off to get it. You can't learn 7'1, but you can learn skills & fundamentals.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

What the hell does any of that have to do with basketball though? Those guys still got up and kept playing the game.

Act like the skinny little ballets of the 1980s could play through Bad Boy shyt, but a 270lb former All-State football player like Lebron with bionic injury-immune limbs would suddenly get weak in the knees.

Dude, we've seen LeBron get hoed out by Paul Pierce and plenty of other people'

We saw him play like a hoe against Dwight Howard's Magic & Dirk Nowitzki's Mavericks and I don't mean just play bad, but look completely disengaged and defeated mentally.

Could you imagine what Bill Laimbeer, Rick Mahorn, Charles Oakley, Charles Barkley, Dennis Rodman, and dudes like that would do to LeBron mentally.

nikka was avg 18-20 fukking rebounds a season... breh wasn't going ANYWHERE.. he had one job and he did it better than anyone in history.. first ballot hall of fame even with all the fukkery, drugs, hookers, and saying fukk the commish, coach and team



pippen was drafted to the bulls.. i mean what the fukk was he supposed to do.. NOT be mentored by the greatest ever? who you are mentored by doesn't suddenly make you not great. pippen was a great player period

if he was drafted by riley and was great under him, would we be saying "oh it don't count cause riley taught him shyt"

He wouldn't have been great under Riley.

Pippen was great because he copied everything Jordan taught him. He became Jordan with a longer wingspan. Pat Riley couldn't have taught him that

And Rodman was out of the league basically in '95. How do you think the cheap ass Bulls got him? They got him for Will fukking Perdue because San Antonio didn't want him, because he was hated by David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliot, and all those religious dudes in San Antonio.

There were no other takers but the Bulls, which is why the price was so low.

Lebron just willed his team back from 1-3 in the Finals with a GOAT performance, leading both teams in major stats. I don't think we can keep calling him weak hearted

You mean, the NBA handed the Cavs the Finals in games 5 & 6.

If it was not for the overt bullshyt of those games the Cavs either lose 4-1 or 3-2

The only thing we know about the 1995 squad is that MJ couldn't get that squad past the Conference Finals himself.

Dude, you know damned well Jordan was RETIRED and came back at the end of the season out of shape that year.

Act like Bill Russell and Magic Johnson weren't the greatest players of their age despite having low ppg brehs.

Dude, Magic averaged 20 pts a game

Karl Malone and LeBron James are roughly the same size physically ()

Where was all that "Bad Boys" toughness shyt when Malone wrecked his shyt? Surely the super duper asskicking Pistons did something about it?? No?? One bench player and the damn COACH had to go out there??

Dude, now I know you gotta be young

The "Bad Boys" era, ended after their 2nd championship in '90 when the NBA forced them to break up their team for the expansion draft and they lost Rick Mahorn.

That hit from Malone happened at the end of '91, where the Pistons were old and done as what they were.

Karl Malone doesn't do that in the "Bad Boys" era from 1987-1990

2. Miller was literally the only player on those Pcers teams that could bring any offense cocnistently. It's not his fault he was surrounded by crappy offensive players is it? Put Pippen on the Pacers they'd at least have 1 ring.

Scottie Pippen and Reggie Miller don't beat Houston, or Utah, or Seattle, or Magic's team the Bulls beat in '91.

 

[YaBoy]

You mean, the NBA handed the Cavs the Finals in games 5 & 6.

If it was not for the overt bullshyt of those games the Cavs either lose 4-1 or 3-2

You don't get handed a ring, you take it. Especially when you're down 1-3
I like how you ignored him leading both teams in every stat too

 

[Big Boss]

So selling contact to draw an extra two foul shots AND the ball means a player can't handle physical play?

They can't help themselves. Even Reggie never made an all NBA second team while only making two third teams. They actually think one big name star makes up for how trash the rest of the roster was.

That nostalgia

 

[Professor Emeritus]

*points The Dankster to the 00-01 Bucks that many felt should have beaten Philly in the ECF to go to the Finals*

So the BEST team that Ray Allen ever "led" was one where All-star Glenn Robinson was at his side averaging just as many points as he was (even though Ray's primary contribution was scoring/shooting) and peak Sam Cassell averaging nearly as many as both of them.

And that team still lost to a Sixers team that got washed in the Finals.

That's my point. Ray Allen was the GOAT shooter of the 2000s, and he still wasn't going anywhere as the single dominant star of a team. A team with Reggie Miller or Ray Allen or Klay Thompson as the only "superstar" is not a true title contender.

no i don't think players watch HIGHLIGHT film

they watch actual game film... not only by themselves.. but with their entire team. then they have highly paid coaches and staff who watch it with them

while watching this tape. they slow it down, rewind it, stop and pause it, while pointing out things that were missed, telling people what they should have been doing, complementing those who performed their duties correctly

THEN they go out and practice the shyt for another 3-4 hours a day... then they play 82 games worth of it

Charles Barkley ain't doing none of that. I'm suspicious about Isaiah Thomas too, considering how horribly his post-playing career in basketball has gone.

Dude, we've seen LeBron get hoed out by Paul Pierce and plenty of other people'

Are you talking about the series where he finished with 45 points in Game 7 and took the champs to the brink despite his #2 being worse than their #4?

The series where he finished with a 28-19-10 triple-double in Game 6 while holding Pierce to a ridiculous 13-5-5 on 34% shooting for the series?

The series where he finished the Celtics in 5 by snatching their soul with clutch threes in the fourth of every game?

Or the series where he had the epic 45-15-5 elimination Game 6 that finished the Celtics for good?

Please, tell me which series it was the Lebron got "hoed out" by Paul Pierce.

We saw him play like a hoe against Dwight Howard's Magic

Are you talking about the series where he averaged 39-8-8 on 50% shooting, hit a game-winning three in Game 2 and nearly hit back-to-back threes to win Game 4???

What kind of alternative reality do you live in?

Could you imagine what Bill Laimbeer, Rick Mahorn, Charles Oakley, Charles Barkley, Dennis Rodman, and dudes like that would do to LeBron mentally.

Probably the same stuff that Kobe Bryant, Ron Artest, Draymond Green, Lance Stephenson, Joahkim Noah, Paul Pierce, etc. did to him mentally....nothing.

I'm sure it was magic era dust that made skinny frail players like Chris Mullin and Tom Chambers and Jerome Kersey and James Worthy immune from the Detroit mystique, but Lebron would have crumbled.

Hell, he had Mutumbo break his freaking nose with an elbow when he was a couple months into his rookie season, and it didn't "break him mentally" at all.

Dude, Magic averaged 20 pts a game

Magic only averaged 20ppg FOUR times in his entire career, regular season or playoffs.

He won a championship in 1980 averaging 18.3ppg in the playoffs, a championship in 1982 averaging 17.4ppg in the playoffs, a championship in 1985 averaging 17.5ppg in the playoffs, and a championship in 1988 averaging 19.9ppg in the playoffs. He had ONE title run where he averaged 20+ppg....and that was only 21.8.

He ain't going to the HOF, much less be considered top-5 all-time, on no "ppg".


And you completely ignored Bill Russell, who never even scored on Magic's level, yet dominated his era and is considered by many to be a top-10 player ever, to the point where casuals were upset that he got left off Lebron's "Mt. Rushmore".

Dude, now I know you gotta be young

The "Bad Boys" era, ended after their 2nd championship in '90 when the NBA forced them to break up their team for the expansion draft and they lost Rick Mahorn.

Rick Mahorn was taken in the 1989 expansion draft, not 1990.

And I guess no one can give credit to Jordan overcoming the Bad Boy Pistons anymore, because according to you he NEVER beat them, right?

And you admit that the NBA team quality gets worse whenever expansion happens...which came in 1988 AND 1989 AND 1995.

 

[Draje]

Dude, we've seen LeBron get hoed out by Paul Pierce and plenty of other people'

We saw him play like a hoe against Dwight Howard's Magic & Dirk Nowitzki's Mavericks and I don't mean just play bad, but look completely disengaged and defeated mentally.

Could you imagine what Bill Laimbeer, Rick Mahorn, Charles Oakley, Charles Barkley, Dennis Rodman, and dudes like that would do to LeBron mentally.



He wouldn't have been great under Riley.

Pippen was great because he copied everything Jordan taught him. He became Jordan with a longer wingspan. Pat Riley couldn't have taught him that

And Rodman was out of the league basically in '95. How do you think the cheap ass Bulls got him? They got him for Will fukking Perdue because San Antonio didn't want him, because he was hated by David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliot, and all those religious dudes in San Antonio.

There were no other takers but the Bulls, which is why the price was so low.



You mean, the NBA handed the Cavs the Finals in games 5 & 6.

If it was not for the overt bullshyt of those games the Cavs either lose 4-1 or 3-2



Dude, you know damned well Jordan was RETIRED and came back at the end of the season out of shape that year.



Dude, Magic averaged 20 pts a game



Dude, now I know you gotta be young

The "Bad Boys" era, ended after their 2nd championship in '90 when the NBA forced them to break up their team for the expansion draft and they lost Rick Mahorn.

That hit from Malone happened at the end of '91, where the Pistons were old and done as what they were.

Karl Malone doesn't do that in the "Bad Boys" era from 1987-1990



Scottie Pippen and Reggie Miller don't beat Houston, or Utah, or Seattle, or Magic's team the Bulls beat in '91.

Are you retarded? You're using one series against Dallas as the only barometer of Lebro 's mental strength and not paying attention to the plenty of other series where Lebron has shown immense will and mental strength?

His legendary comeback against Detroit just doesn't count? Being a GOAT game 7 and elimination performer doesn't count?

 

[NYC Rebel]

no i think people who actually played the game at a hall of fame level know 29384901749287412938432947% more than anyone on the coli


i also believe looking at numbers is a retarded way to judge a game you never laid eyes on before... then telling people who watched decades of full games live that you know more... once again.... retarded

You think it's about people who actually played the game and not "back in my day" ageism that cuts across all genres.

 

[NYC Rebel]

1. Creating a shot off a dribble vs creating a shot off a screen isn't any different. The points count exactly the same. There's no inherent value in shot creation if the shot you're creating isn't going in(most chuckers have this issue). Millers efficiency made up for his lack of ability in "shot creation"

2. Miller was literally the only player on those Pcers teams that could bring any offense cocnistently. It's not his fault he was surrounded by crappy offensive players is it? Put Pippen on the Pacers they'd at least have 1 ring.

Yet those Pacers would beat today's Raptors...


If Reggeis shot wasn't falling he brought nothing else as a basketball player. He didn't create offense by dribble penetration or anything

 

[NYC Rebel]

The NBA was so hard up on talent during the expansion years of the 90s, they gave grocery bag clerks a Chance.

The NBA was so hard up on selling expansion basketball that Kelly Tripuka was used as the "new face of the NBA in NC."



Owner: "we gotta sell this franchise to the fans....lets use KELLY TRIPUKA!!"



The state of the NBA was pure shyt save the phenomenon that was MJ....and I called it exactly for the shyt it was back then as I do now.

 

[cKondomsucK6]

Starts at 2:48

Wow man that was slaughter, so much depth about actual strategy

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

You think it's about people who actually played the game and not "back in my day" ageism that cuts across all genres.

yea because the media didn't play but covered it and says the same exact thing

matter of fact, find me a current nba player that says this era is the best of all time

 

[NYC Rebel]

yea because the media didn't play but covered it and says the same exact thing

matter of fact, find me a current nba player that says this era is the best of all time

Wait until they retire.

Dr. j and Bird said the 90s sucked as well back in the 90s

 

[Supreme365]

Kerr won championships as a player and a coach, hes a hall of famer

Oakley was one of the top 10 pfs in his day, hes a hall of famer too

Kerr wasn't no damn hall of fame as a player he's only going in as a coach he was literally a poor mans Kyle korver and OAK ain't going to no damn hall of fame go head with the bullshyt

 

[Gravity]

Yet you ignore the coherent rational behind it

The "rationale" behind it sucks. You don't make rational arguments in these dicussions because you clearly have an agenda. You just said that these Raptors who up until last year couldnt even get out of the first round of the playoffs with homecourt advantage are better than the 90s Knicks. The Raps got lucky last year to get out of the first two rounds. The Pacers and Heat were both maligned with injuries and they still barely got past them. Yet they would've beat the 90s Knicks? The only shot that these Raps would have is if the 90s Knicks had to play under these soft ass rules and couldn't tweak their team to fit this era. You add a couple shooters to that team and they'd have no problems in this era.

The "scoring drought Knicks" played in a different era and played a different game. The game isn't the same as it was back then. You never acknowledge that when you go on these 90s-hate campaigns. That's why your position isn't to be taken seriously. You're just hating.

This forum the only group of people I've heard of consistently hating 90's basketball

These dudes have agendas bruh. It's corny shyt.