ISIS Leader is a fictional character according to U.S. Military

[Professor Emeritus]

This is the problem with you truth denial clowns who don't read or have common sense.

The ploy was to invent Baghdadi, a figure whose very name establishes his Iraqi pedigree, install him as the head of a front organization called the Islamic State of Iraq and then arrange for Masri to swear allegiance to him.

Bu bu but the name changed.like that is supposed to discredit the actual creation of the storyline.

So the plot was to create a fake leader, tell the whole world that leader was fake, then create another fake leader and claim this one was real, and even give both fake leaders the same fake surname.

Another plant indication here. You don't know how old the man is based off pics. Your problem is there are two pics of the man, one with a beard, one without it. All pics without the beard are with McCain. How are you proving this isn't true?

So you're both pushing the idea that al-Baghdadi is an imaginary person AND the idea that he was photographed meeting with McCain?

The US military got some actor to pretend to be a terrorist leader, and then had that actor meet McCain in public for publicity photos.

I don't need to know how old he is off of pics, he was born on June 28, 1971 so we know exactly how old he was. And @newworldafro's comparison shots used Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's beardless photo from when he was taken into US custody 10 years earlier. al-Baghdadi is clearly ALREADY older than the guy in the other photo and that was 10 years ago! Not to mention that they don't even look alike other than being Middle Eastern men of roughly the same size with the same haircut. al-Baghdadi has a longer face, flatter ears, fuller eyebrows, a wider nose, a rounder end of his nose, a thicker jaw, his stubble comes in more consistently without the patchy spots, and he's already an older man even in the ten-year old photo.

Not to mention that it would be stupid as fukk for them to have al-Baghdadi meet McCain in public and let the photos get out all over the place when ISIS was already famous and al-Baghdadi had already had a bounty on his head for two years.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You bytch I'm not using credible sources but bytch when I use credible sources. Can have both.

Where did I bytch about you using credible sources, liar?


You posted a NYT article about ISIS creating a fake leader from Baghdad as a diversionary tactic back in 2007. Then, by pretending that they were talking about the current leader, you tried to trick people into thinking there was some connection between that guy in the story and a completely different guy who took over ISIS in 2010, even though the only connection was that they both claimed to be from Baghdad.

You were either purposely deceiving people or you were too stupid to realize that "al-Baghdadi" is just a title that means "from Baghdad" and not his actual name.

The problem wasn't your source. The problem was you pulling up an 8-year-old story and pretending that it was talking about the current leader when it obviously wasn't

 

[thekingsmen]

Where did I bytch about you using credible sources, liar?


You posted a NYT article about ISIS creating a fake leader from Baghdad as a diversionary tactic back in 2007. Then, by pretending that they were talking about the current leader, you tried to trick people into thinking there was some connection between that guy in the story and a completely different guy who took over ISIS in 2010, even though the only connection was that they both claimed to be from Baghdad.

You were either purposely deceiving people or you were too stupid to realize that "al-Baghdadi" is just a title that means "from Baghdad" and not his actual name.

The problem wasn't your source. The problem was you pulling up an 8-year-old story and pretending that it was talking about the current leader when it obviously wasn't

1. It's clear you don't know what was going on in Iraq 2007 or just playing dumb.

2. The article was posted to prove that ISIS which was acknowledged by US govt in 2007 as fabricated organic entity paid by Wahabbi Saudi Arabia and US to keep Iran from gaining influence in that region. The story hasn't changed but you want to change it by claiming the name is different. How does that effect the events leading up to it...? Nothing...story is the same.

3. Your point on the name is irrelevant. Of course I know how Arabic names go from the region/family they come from. Your main gripe is pointless when the story hasn't never changed.

4. This is a article I posted in 2015. You weren't too bright to understand that. What I find funny is that you believe the official story, there for you believe in Trump taken out this man. Since neither has proof...i seem to have the advantage in this conversation.

Come get this work!

 

[thekingsmen]

So the plot was to create a fake leader, tell the whole world that leader was fake, then create another fake leader and claim this one was real, and even give both fake leaders the same fake surname.

You ignored all the examples of the repetitive story lines of the past to fixate on what you deem as important. The problem is you can't face facts...names can be changed as long as the story remains the same. It doesn't have to make sense to you. You a plant anyways I don't expect for you to want to understand.




So you're both pushing the idea that al-Baghdadi is an imaginary person AND the idea that he was photographed meeting with McCain?

The US military got some actor to pretend to be a terrorist leader, and then had that actor meet McCain in public for publicity photos.

I don't need to know how old he is off of pics, he was born on June 28, 1971 so we know exactly how old he was.

Once again ignoring McCains role in all this.
Other than pics and a short video..what do you know about BAGHDADI? Other than what the US has written bout him you know nothing. Dude playing a role of a leader who doesn't exist....if he existed you would have videos, pics, family info, documents from 2007 and before. There is none before.


And @newworldafro's comparison shots used Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's beardless photo from when he was taken into US custody 10 years earlier. al-Baghdadi is clearly ALREADY older than the guy in the other photo and that was 10 years ago! Not to mention that they don't even look alike other than being Middle Eastern men of roughly the same size with the same haircut. al-Baghdadi has a longer face, flatter ears, fuller eyebrows, a wider nose, a rounder end of his nose, a thicker jaw, his stubble comes in more consistently without the patchy spots, and he's already an older man even in the ten-year old photo.

Another plant response to dictate how things work in the world of espionage/deception/war and politics. Just like the videos of Bin Laden in the later videos, it's called editing/altering. Anyone knows photos can be changed to make the person look older or younger than they are.


Not to mention that it would be stupid as fukk for them to have al-Baghdadi meet McCain in public and let the photos get out all over the place when ISIS was already famous and al-Baghdadi had already had a bounty on his head for two years.

1. Hamas created by Israel known fact...nothing has happen.

2. War started off lies....nothing has happen

3. Regime Change based off lies...nothing has happen


Why? When it was exposed...who went to jail? No one cause in reality it's all legal if it fits under National Security. It's illegal to undermine sovereign nations under the UN Charter Laws but overthrowing government's has been under UN lead for decades. You play your role well being stupid.


Stop... you are embarrassing yourself.

 

[Pressure]

When you start to argue that ISIS isn't real you've really trolled yourself into a box.

 

[thekingsmen]

When you start to argue that ISIS isn't real you've really trolled yourself into a box.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

4. This is a article I posted in 2015. You weren't too bright to understand that. What I find funny is that you believe the official story, there for you believe in Trump taken out this man. Since neither has proof...i seem to have the advantage in this conversation.

Since you started off with a pure, obvious lie, you have no advantage at all. You claimed in 2015 that the leader of Isis IS a fictional character. Then you posted an 8-year-old article talking about a completely different al-Baghdadi. Your insinuation that the article was about the current leader of Isis was a total lie.

2. The article was posted to prove that ISIS which was acknowledged by US govt in 2007 as fabricated organic entity paid by Wahabbi Saudi Arabia and US to keep Iran from gaining influence in that region. The story hasn't changed but you want to change it by claiming the name is different. How does that effect the events leading up to it...? Nothing...story is the same.

That is another lie, the article says nothing of the sort whatsoever. The article said that the true leader of Isis way back in 2007 (before it split from Al Queda in Iraq) was the Egyptian leader of Al Queda in Iraq who created an Iraqi figurehead to make the organization appear more local. Nothing in the article stated that the entity was fabricated by Wahabbi Saudi Arabia and the US, in fact the very fact that the US military was posting such shyt publicly is an argument against that.

1. It's clear you don't know what was going on in Iraq 2007 or just playing dumb.

I was already writing extensively on the exact process by which Isis grew in Iraq (tracing it all the way back to the Iran-Iraq war and the Russian invasion of Afghanistan up through the US invasion of Iraq and the makeshift prisons we set up which is where Isis was directly born) long before I was even posting on this site.

3. Your point on the name is irrelevant. Of course I know how Arabic names go from the region/family they come from. Your main gripe is pointless when the story hasn't never changed.

If the story hasn't changed, then Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is simply a figurehead leader who wasn't actually pulling the strings because the real leaders want to hide their identities. I wouldn't be surprised at all, and in fact I'd have a pretty good bet on who those "true leaders" are - former Ba'ath party officers who worked under Saddam Hussein and lost power in the American invasion. They have both the means and the motive to actually be running the show in Isis but wanting a "different type" to be the portrayed leader. I'm not saying that's true (though it is certainly true that dozens of known Ba'ath officers are within the Isis leadership structure), but it's possible.

That story, that Isis puts forth "leaders" which fit an image most appealing to their desired followers, is a potential reality. You jumped off of that to lie to everyone and claim this actual part of reality somehow confirmed your paranoid craziness that you spew all over these pages.


Note - despite no special access to information and no particular intelligence you've figured out all the global conspiracies off of publicly available internet information and have spread that knowledge to the masses. And you're still alive. It's just incredible.

You even called me a plant. The illuminati hold total power over governments yet they plant guys to argue with The Kingsman on the coli - your assumption of self-importance combined with immortality is just incredible.

 

[Won Won]

The guy who said Trayvon Martin was killed due to Masonic rituals calling people plants

 

[Chez Lopez]

Great post, people who have understanding will find themselves predicting the future in these times.

 

[Take It In Blood]

The guy who said Trayvon Martin was killed due to Masonic rituals calling people plants

1 fish, 2 fish, 3 fish, blue fish

nick nack patty whack, give a dog a bone

 

[thekingsmen]

The guy who said Trayvon Martin was killed due to Masonic rituals calling people plants

The stan is back......and he has his cosigners too. When will you ever stay on topic? Every time I post you always seem to come in to my threads...must love them..

 

[thekingsmen]

Since you started off with a pure, obvious lie, you have no advantage at all. You claimed in 2015 that the leader of Isis IS a fictional character. Then you posted an 8-year-old article talking about a completely different al-Baghdadi. Your insinuation that the article was about the current leader of Isis was a total lie.

Can you show me evidence of the Military General speaking about another guy with the same premise? I'll wait. Btw...Reuters in 2018 dropped his real name as Ibrahim Al Samarri. Your argument about the name is mute. Try something else.



That is another lie, the article says nothing of the sort whatsoever. The article said that the true leader of Isis way back in 2007 (before it split from Al Queda in Iraq) was the Egyptian leader of Al Queda in Iraq who created an Iraqi figurehead to make the organization appear more local. Nothing in the article stated that the entity was fabricated by Wahabbi Saudi Arabia and the US, in fact the very fact that the US military was posting such shyt publicly is an argument against that.

Where did I say anything about Saudi Arabia fabricating the entity? Their jobs are to provide wahabbi fighters in the middle east. As far as the US part, do you know what a Ploy is right?
Just a reminder...
a cunning plan or action designed to turn a situation to one's own advantage.
An action calculated to frustrate an opponent or gain an advantage indirectly or deviously; a maneuver:





I was already writing extensively on the exact process by which Isis grew in Iraq (tracing it all the way back to the Iran-Iraq war and the Russian invasion of Afghanistan up through the US invasion of Iraq and the makeshift prisons we set up which is where Isis was directly born) long before I was even posting on this site.

No one cares about this. This means nothing if you don't bring facts.


If the story hasn't changed, then Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is simply a figurehead leader who wasn't actually pulling the strings because the real leaders want to hide their identities. I wouldn't be surprised at all, and in fact I'd have a pretty good bet on who those "true leaders" are - former Ba'ath party officers who worked under Saddam Hussein and lost power in the American invasion. They have both the means and the motive to actually be running the show in Isis but wanting a "different type" to be the portrayed leader. I'm not saying that's true (though it is certainly true that dozens of known Ba'ath officers are within the Isis leadership structure), but it's possible.

That story, that Isis puts forth "leaders" which fit an image most appealing to their desired followers, is a potential reality. You jumped off of that to lie to everyone and claim this actual part of reality somehow confirmed your paranoid craziness that you spew all over these pages.

1. He was always the figurehead....

2. The real issue you ignored in this was around the time ABAB was created and used, the U.S. trained death squads were the real threat.

From El Salvador to Iraq: Washington's man behind brutal police squads


BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Iraq 'death squad caught in act'

CBS: Death Squads In Iraqi Hospitals



3. Image in the political world is just the front of all things to cover up. You see what they give you on tv as the real but reality is much different.

Here is another example:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...f-jihad/d079075a-3ed3-4030-9a96-0d48f6355e54/

In the twilight of the Cold War, the United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation.The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books, though the radical movement scratched out human faces in keeping with its strict fundamentalist code.
The White House defends the religious content, saying that Islamic principles permeate Afghan culture and that the books "are fully in compliance with U.S. law and policy." Legal experts, however, question whether the books violate a constitutional ban on using tax dollars to promote religion.



Note - despite no special access to information and no particular intelligence you've figured out all the global conspiracies off of publicly available internet information and have spread that knowledge to the masses. And you're still alive. It's just incredible.






You even called me a plant. The illuminati hold total power over governments yet they plant guys to argue with The Kingsman on the coli - your assumption of self-importance combined with immortality is just incredible.





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@newworldafro ...Hey look at these guys.. ...Even when you expose the fallacy of Trump killing a fictional character for Re-Election purposes, they find all reasons to defend him.



As for @Rhakim

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@newworldafro ...Hey look at these guys.. ...Even when you expose the fallacy of Trump killing a fictional character for Re-Election purposes, they find all reasons to defend him.



As for @Rhakim

The guy you posted about from 2007 and the guy who just got killed are not the same person. You just made that part up. So what the fukk did you expose?

 

[thekingsmen]

The guy you posted about from 2007 and the guy who just got killed are not the same person. You just made that part up. So what the fukk did you expose?

Show news articles, clips of US military Generals speaking on a different Badghdadi ....Ill wait...

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Show news articles, clips of US military Generals speaking on a different Badghdadi ....Ill wait...

The article you quoted in the OP is a different Baghdadi.

"For more than a year, the leader of one the most notorious insurgent groups in Iraq was said to be a mysterious Iraqi named Abdullah Rashid al-Baghdadi."

"The Pentagon released newly declassified video and images Wednesday of the daring, two hour raid targeting ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi that shows US forces taking small arms fire from multiple locations as their helicopters approached the compound."


You still haven't caught that those news articles from 12 years apart and having completely different names other than the "from Baghdad" ending are two different people?



And guess what, the leader of Isis in-between those two stories was "Abu Omar al-Baghdadi". It's just a damn title they put on the end for Iraqi street cred.