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The article you quoted in the OP is a different Baghdadi. :mindblown:

"For more than a year, the leader of one the most notorious insurgent groups in Iraq was said to be a mysterious Iraqi named Abdullah Rashid al-Baghdadi."

"The Pentagon released newly declassified video and images Wednesday of the daring, two hour raid targeting ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi that shows US forces taking small arms fire from multiple locations as their helicopters approached the compound."


You still haven't caught that those news articles from 12 years apart and having completely different names other than the "from Baghdad" ending are two different people? :dahell:



And guess what, the leader of Isis in-between those two stories was "Abu Omar al-Baghdadi". It's just a damn title they put on the end for Iraqi street cred. :skip:

Double Down on stupidity I see. I asked you to show me in the last 12 years articles, news clips that state the US Military says or clarifies the difference between the two men or debunks claims of this article as "different" guy.

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Double Down on stupidity I see. I asked you to show me in the last 12 years articles, news clips that state the US Military says or clarifies the difference between the two men or debunks claims of this article as "different" guy.

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Why would someone have to write an article explaining that two different names refer to different people? :what:

"Show me the verified government source that proves Tom Brady and Wayne Brady are two different people!"



What claim is there to "debunk"? The 2007 article was correct in 2007, it just has nothing to do with the completely different person with a completely different name who you were referring to in 2015.

If there is anyone on this board who has ever believed anything you said I hope they're reading this argument right now.
 
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Why would someone have to write an article explaining that two different names refer to different people? :what:

"Show me the verified government source that proves Tom Brady and Wayne Brady are two different people!"



What claim is there to "debunk"? The 2007 article was correct in 2007, it just has nothing to do with the completely different person with a completely different name who you were referring to in 2015.

If there is anyone on this board who has ever believed anything you said I hope they're reading this argument right now.

Common Sense isn't your forte.

Rhakim "oh he is the other Badghdadi"

Thekingsmen "How can both claim to be head of the same organization?"

Rhakim "I don't know but it ain't.the same guy"

Thekingsmen "Do you have evidence of that being the case?"

Rhakim "Do you have evidence that Wayne Brady and Tom Brady aren't the same person?"

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Common Sense isn't your forte.

Rhakim "oh he is the other Badghdadi"

Thekingsmen "How can both claim to be head of the same organization?"

Rhakim "I don't know but it ain't.the same guy"

Thekingsmen "Do you have evidence of that being the case?"

Rhakim "Do you have evidence that Wayne Brady and Tom Brady aren't the same person?"

Thekingsmen ::gucci::dwillhuh::mjtf:

You seriously still haven't figured out that your OP article is from 2007?

"Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was announced as leader of ISI on 16 May 2010, following the death of his predecessor Abu Omar al-Baghdadi.[66]"

If someone became the leader on 16 May 2010, then he was clearly not the leader in 2007. Which anyone who can read and see that they have TWO DIFFERENT NAMES would have already figured out.


"But they're both from Baghdad so they're the same person! Post an article proving to me that everyone titled al-Baghdadi isn't the same person!"

Idiot.


You seriously have to just be trolling right now trying to see how braindead a take @newworldafro or some other poor chump will agree with.
 

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"They're two different people, numb nuts."

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You seriously still haven't figured out that your OP article is from 2007?

"Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was announced as leader of ISI on 16 May 2010, following the death of his predecessor Abu Omar al-Baghdadi.[66]"

If someone became the leader on 16 May 2010, then he was clearly not the leader in 2007. Which anyone who can read and see that they have TWO DIFFERENT NAMES would have already figured out.


"But they're both from Baghdad so they're the same person! Post an article proving to me that everyone titled al-Baghdadi isn't the same person!"

Idiot.


You seriously have to just be trolling right now trying to see how braindead a take @newworldafro or some other poor chump will agree with.



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So let's get this straight 2007 Leader Baghdadi of the same front group ISIS isn't the real leader but Omar was the real one before 2010 and then it was Abu Bakr who was the "real, real" leader.

Here is why you ignore the truth...while you are told these leaders and groups exist with all these background stories...they don't actually exist. War is deception...US/Britain have created a threat that isn't real. What does exist is Wahabbi sects that create chaos throughout the ME under Saudi control. There is clear evidence in all that. You ignored @newworldafro pics of the charcter playing Abu Bakr BD and McCain was involved.

BBC had a documentary years ago on Al Q never existing.


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Leader of Al Qaeda group in Iraq was fictional, U.S. military says



Leader of Al Qaeda group in Iraq was fictional, U.S. military says
By Michael R. Gordon
Published: Wednesday, July 18, 2007


BAGHDAD — For more than a year, the leader of one the most notorious insurgent groups in Iraq was said to be a mysterious Iraqi named Abdullah Rashid al-Baghdadi.

As the titular head of the Islamic State in Iraq, an organization publicly backed by Al Qaeda, Baghdadi issued a steady stream of incendiary pronouncements. Despite claims by Iraqi officials that he had been killed in May, Baghdadi appeared to have persevered unscathed.

On Wednesday, a senior American military spokesman provided a new explanation for Baghdadi's ability to escape attack: He never existed.

Brigadier General Kevin Bergner, the chief American military spokesman, said the elusive Baghdadi was actually a fictional character whose audio-taped declarations were provided by an elderly actor named Abu Adullah al-Naima.

The ruse, Bergner said, was devised by Abu Ayub al-Masri, the Egyptian-born leader of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, who was trying to mask the dominant role that foreigners play in that insurgent organization.

The ploy was to invent Baghdadi, a figure whose very name establishes his Iraqi pedigree, install him as the head of a front organization called the Islamic State of Iraq and then arrange for Masri to swear allegiance to him. Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's deputy, sought to reinforce the deception by referring to Baghdadi in his video and Internet statements.

The evidence for the American assertions, Bergner announced at a news briefing, was provided by an Iraqi insurgent: Khalid Abdul Fatah Daud Mahmud al-Mashadani, who was said to have been captured by American forces in Mosul on July 4.

According to Bergner, Mashadani is the most senior Iraqi operative in Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. He got his start in the Ansar al-Sunna insurgent group before joining Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia more than two years ago, and became the group's "media emir" for all of Iraq. Bergner said that Mashadani was also an intermediary between Masri in Iraq and bin Laden and Zawahiri, whom the Americans assert support and guide their Iraqi affiliate.

"Mashadani confirms that al-Masri and the foreign leaders with whom he surrounds himself, not Iraqis, made the operational decisions" for Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, Bergner said.

The struggle between the American military and Qaeda affiliate in Iraq is political as well as military. And one purpose of the briefing Wednesday seemed to be to rattle the 90 percent of the group's adherents who are believed to be Iraqi by suggesting that they are doing the bidding of foreigners.

An important element of the American strategy is to drive a wedge between Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, other insurgent groups and the Sunni population.

Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, for its part, has engaged in its own form of psychological warfare. The Islamic State of Iraq recently issued two videos that were said to show an attack in Diyala Province on an American Bradley vehicle with a roadside bomb, as well as an assault on an Iraqi military checkpoint.

The recent American operation to clear western Baquba, the provincial capital of Diyala, of Qaeda fighters was dubbed Arrowhead Ripper. In a statement, the Islamic State of Iraq claimed that "the arrows have been returned to the enemy like boomerangs," according to Site Institute, which monitors international terrorist groups.

Bruce Riedel, a former CIA official and a Middle East expert, said that experts had long wondered whether Baghdadi actually existed. "There has been a question mark about this," he said.

Nonetheless, Riedel suggested that the disclosures made Wednesday might not be the final word on Baghdadi and the leaders of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. Even Mashadani's assertions, Riedel said, might be a cover story to protect a leader who does in fact exist.

"First, they say we have killed him," Riedel said, referring to the statements by some Iraqi government officials. "Then we heard him after his death and now they are saying he never existed. That suggests that our intelligence on Al Qaeda in Iraq is not what we want it to be."

American military spokesmen insist they have gotten to the truth on Baghdadi. Mashadani, they say, provided his account because he resented the role of foreign leaders in Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. They say he has not repudiated the organization.

While the American military says that senior Qaeda leaders in Pakistan provide guidance, general direction and support for Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, they did not provide any examples of a specific raid or operation that was ordered by Pakistan-based leaders of Al Qaeda.

An unclassified National Intelligence Estimate on terrorist threats to the United States homeland, which was made public in Washington on Tuesday, suggested that Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia draws support from Al Qaeda leaders in Pakistan but also has some autonomy. It described Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia as "an affiliate."

"We assess that Al Qaeda will probably seek to leverage the contacts and capabilities of Al Qaeda in Iraq, its most visible and capable affiliate and the only one known to have expressed a desire to attack the homeland."

In the latest violence in Iraq, a series of roadside bombs exploded early Wednesday in separate areas of east Baghdad, killing 11 people and wounding more than a dozen, the police said, according to The Associated Press. The U.S. military reported that three more American soldiers had died in action in the Iraqi capital.
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So let's get this straight 2007 Leader Baghdadi of the same front group ISIS isn't the real leader but Omar was the real one before 2010 and then it was Abu Bakr who was the "real, real" leader.
Why would you call them "real" or "real real" in quotes? Was Obama the "real" president and Trump the "real real" president....or were they just both president at different times? :ohhh:

"Abdullah Rashid" was the name used in 2006-2007 for a fictitious Iraqi leader back when Al Queda in Iraq was run by an Egyptian and trying to fake an Iraqi leadership presence to give it legitimacy.

"Abu Omar" was the name used for the first actual Iraqi-based leader of ISIS from 2008 until he was killed in 2010.

"Abu Bakr" was the name used for the guy who rose to power in 2010 and was killed in 2019.


They're three different people. They have three different names (and in fact none of those are real names, in both the cases where a real person was involved they had real names that we know but like many Middle Eastern military and religious leaders adopted new names for leadership). You are pretending to be too stupid to realize that "al-Baghdadi" is simply a TITLE, not a real name, and it just means "from Baghdad".




You ignored @newworldafro pics of the charcter playing Abu Bakr BD and McCain was involved.
Yet again you prove yourself to be an absolute liar. I didn't ignore @newworldafro, I pointed out that they clearly weren't the same person, just two middle eastern guys with the same size and haircut who had completely different facial structure and were at least 10-15 years apart in age.

Plus, the claim that the USA would create a fake Abu Bakr character and then HAVE HIM MEET MCCAIN IN PUBLIC AND TAKE PUBLICITY SHOTS has to be the stupidest conspiracy claim I've heard.

Well, outside of the claim that every guy in Isis from Baghdad is the same person. :mjlol:
 
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Why would you call them "real" or "real real" in quotes? Was Obama the "real" president and Trump the "real real" president....or were they just both president at different times? :ohhh:

"Abdullah Rashid" was the name used in 2006-2007 for a fictitious Iraqi leader back when Al Queda in Iraq was run by an Egyptian and trying to fake an Iraqi leadership presence to give it legitimacy.

"Abu Omar" was the name used for the first actual Iraqi-based leader of ISIS from 2008 until he was killed in 2010.

"Abu Bakr" was the name used for the guy who rose to power in 2010 and was killed in 2019.


They're three different people. They have three different names (and in fact none of those are real names, in both the cases where a real person was involved they had real names that we know but like many Middle Eastern military and religious leaders adopted new names for leadership). You are pretending to be too stupid to realize that "al-Baghdadi" is simply a TITLE, not a real name, and it just means "from Baghdad".

So now there is 3 guys... or so you thought. Hate to break it to you son but your own link on OMAR exposed the truth.

In July 2007, U.S. military spokesman Brigadier General Kevin Bergner, claimed that Abu Omar al-Baghdadi did not actually exist, and that all of his audio statements were actually read by an elderly Iraqi actor.[8][9]

The detainee identified as Khaled al-Mashhadani, a self-proclaimed intermediary to Osama bin Laden, claimed that al-Baghdadi was a fictional character created to give an Iraqi face to a foreign-run group.[10] In March 2008, the spokesman for a rival insurgent organization, Hamas-Iraq, also claimed that al-Baghdadi was a fabrication made by Al Qaeda to put an Iraqi face on their organization.[11] However, US military officials later came to believe that the position of al-Baghdadi had been back-filled by an actual commander.[12]

How do you succeed a fictitious person in a position of a Front organization with a real person? See how ridiculous this story-line is... but you are a plant so you believe it. Even the link US officials "Believe"... there are no facts behind this whole set up.

Your analogies suck and are really the worst when trying to get your point across. Especially since no one has heard of ISIS until 2014/2015, way after the withdraw of Iraq, making the story-line just plain dumb. Only one pic and short video of Abu-Bakr ever shows up and posted online. The very point of your argument is mute because it's already known through Congress that US has funneled/supplied and helped these Wahhabi "Groups" strive in areas of interest.




Yet again you prove yourself to be an absolute liar. I didn't ignore @newworldafro, I pointed out that they clearly weren't the same person, just two middle eastern guys with the same size and haircut who had completely different facial structure and were at least 10-15 years apart in age.

You keep going on this when you haven't proved the pics wrong at all. 10-15 years. No one has ever used photoshop or software to make anyone look younger or older. ...:usure:



Plus, the claim that the USA would create a fake Abu Bakr character and then HAVE HIM MEET MCCAIN IN PUBLIC AND TAKE PUBLICITY SHOTS has to be the stupidest conspiracy claim I've heard.

Well, outside of the claim that every guy in Isis from Baghdad is the same person. :mjlol:


:jbhmm: Never Publicly taken pics with McCain or politicians

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"The United States could work with groups like the Iraq-based National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) and its military wing, the Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK), helping the thousands of its members who, under Saddam Husayn’s regime, were armed and had conducted guerrilla and terrorist operations against the clerical regime. Although the NCRI is supposedly disarmed today, that could quickly be changed."


"Potential Ethnic Proxies," page 117-118 "Perhaps the most prominent (and certainly the most controversial) opposition group that has attracted attention as a potential U.S. proxy is the NCRI (National Council of Resistance of Iran), the political movement established by the MEK (Mujahedin-e Khalq). Critics believe the group to be undemocratic and unpopular, and indeed anti-American.

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