It seems KRS-ONE is not as high on GOAT lists as he used to be

[Art Barr]

Eric B's name rings out. You can watch the videos I posted and trace it back to the time how he was rocking. I can't call it but I'm not stoopid either.

There are two prominent names in rap history that have this mystique. Where it has become an unwritten rule culturally to not mention them or attach them to it.

Imma keep it hush tho.


Art Barr

 

[maxamusa]

Id like to think L does,even his 90s stuff kept him going over Kris & Rah

what was your favorite LL album?

 

[Ku$h Parker]

what was your favorite LL album?

Im Bad

 

[Art Barr]

ayo @Art Barr I don't remember what thread it was but u said juice was #1....you talking about battle rapper juice?

Yeah.


The guy who I am the protege of ...

That i am nOt saying that because I am his protege. I am saying that based on actual skills frfr.

Plus output when I know ju has higher skill level than any rapper in history period.

Song pun Intended.
Proof if in the pudding.

It is a reason the juice debut album my solo record debuted on is one of the highest selling rap collectibles as a dvr.

Also stop that derogatory battle rapper shyt.

Juice is thee emcee.

all the rest of them scary as fukk and all writtens.

Which is not really emcee'n.


Art Barr

 

[maxamusa]

Yeah.


The guy who I am the protege of ...

That i am nOt saying that because I am his protege. I am saying that based on actual skills frfr.

Plus output when I know ju has higher skill level than any rapper in history period.

Song pun Intended.
Proof if in the pudding.

It is a reason the juice debut album my solo record debuted on is one of the highest selling rap collectibles as a dvr.

Art Barr

I've seen the videos....and am a thirstin howl fan...juice had skills no doubt.........


but does he have studio work? I'm not familiar.....for some reason I always separated battle rap from studio rap...

 

[Art Barr]

At the end of day since rap has gotten so rnb eccentric.

By actual live public play.

Ll cool j the boy king has the best gateway discography in rap history.

As far as being accessible.
plus not having to do much else to the playlist.
to make it accessible for the general public.
Yet most importantly...your kids.



Ll is the only artist.
I never had to police content wise and could play with my daughter in the car.

The only rapper you can do that and gradually stick to the bsides to hits and not have to censor. Or have a parent child conference.
about content every two seconds.

Given the fact y'all are okay with the sellout bullshyt and accept it. Ll cool j is actually the best gateway artist in rap history.
That the others not even close.



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

I've seen the videos....and am a thirstin howl fan...juice had skills no doubt.........


but does he have studio work? I'm not familiar.....for some reason I always separated battle rap from studio rap...

Rap Really would not even be on mainstream daytime radio.
or prime time radio.
if not for juice.



Battling would not be a draw if not for juice. Making it a draw in Cali singlehandedly. Winning radio battles with his jaw wired shyt for six months straight just for starters.

rap would not be even mentioned aa a primetime draw on tv.

if not for juice writing summertime.
Juice has albums sir.

Everything that this gen of rappers had.
as a gateway comes from juice. Especially if you are a eminem mass exodus gateway fan like..
Alluvyouse....

How y'all sleep and let people lie to y'all about who the best is.

It is crazy.



Art Barr

 

[Tribal Outkast]

I mean they’re really trying to wipe anybody out not named Biggie or Pac. Kris ain’t mentioned but I mean only super old heads are naming people like Rakim or Kane these days.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

I think a big part of it is that emcees who came of age in the mid-90s and later (Nas, Jay-Z, etc.) were able to have longevity that emcees from the 80s never enjoyed.

People like Nas and Jay seemed to be relevant for longer and eventually put together very deep catalogues.

If you look at 80s emcees, who had any longevity? What I mean is longevity in terms of putting out quality material and being "relevant" (receiving a certain level of mass recognition among hardcore hip-hop fans). There are a lot of albums I love that went double aluminum and generated little buzz among even hardcore hip-hop fans.

- Rakim: basically absent after 1992 except for a brief resurgence in 1997 with The 18th Letter and one or two guest spots during his Aftermath days. I try to forget about the indignity of Ra being shelved by Dr. Dre.

- Kane: basically irrelevant from the early 90s on, even though he still had skills

- KRS: has released a lot of albums, but stopped being relevant around 2000

- G Rap: never made it as big as the others in the first place (i.e., no gold albums) ... in the late 90s/early 00s it looked like he might finally get his time in the sun, but things never worked out. Is most widely known in "mainstream" hip-hop circles for being superhead's baby's daddy.

- LL: stayed relevant for a long time, but not really as an emcee held in high regard by purists

- Ice Cube: basically same category as LL


The crazy thing about this is that most of the 80s emcees I mentioned are only slightly older than Jay-Z. They were considered dinosaurs before they even turned 30!!

I think LL and Cube benefited from getting into Hollywood. Maintaining relevancy helped them transcend eras. But I think for LL it really helped the most that he fully embraced being a heart throb as he got older

 

[Ku$h Parker]

I think a big part of it is that emcees who came of age in the mid-90s and later (Nas, Jay-Z, etc.) were able to have longevity that emcees from the 80s never enjoyed.

People like Nas and Jay seemed to be relevant for longer and eventually put together very deep catalogues.

If you look at 80s emcees, who had any longevity? What I mean is longevity in terms of putting out quality material and being "relevant" (receiving a certain level of mass recognition among hardcore hip-hop fans). There are a lot of albums I love that went double aluminum and generated little buzz among even hardcore hip-hop fans.

- Rakim: basically absent after 1992 except for a brief resurgence in 1997 with The 18th Letter and one or two guest spots during his Aftermath days. I try to forget about the indignity of Ra being shelved by Dr. Dre.

- Kane: basically irrelevant from the early 90s on, even though he still had skills

- KRS: has released a lot of albums, but stopped being relevant around 2000

- G Rap: never made it as big as the others in the first place (i.e., no gold albums) ... in the late 90s/early 00s it looked like he might finally get his time in the sun, but things never worked out. Is most widely known in "mainstream" hip-hop circles for being superhead's baby's daddy.

- LL: stayed relevant for a long time, but not really as an emcee held in high regard by purists

- Ice Cube: basically same category as LL


The crazy thing about this is that most of the 80s emcees I mentioned are only slightly older than Jay-Z. They were considered dinosaurs before they even turned 30!!

How about Will & Jeff? And Slick Rick id throw in but he put a Bullet in that Rise

 

[mitter]

How about Will & Jeff? And Slick Rick id throw in but he put a Bullet in that Rise

Will Smith was not a highly regarded emcee in the 80s, and definitely not in the 90s

Rick's longevity was partially destroyed by his jail time, but it went beyond that. He had a little bit of success with his 1999 comeback, but going gold in 1999 with Def Jam's machine fully behind him was actually a bit of a commercial disappointment. There is a reason it didn't lead to a sustained comeback, and since 1999, we have barely heard anything from Rick.

 

[mitter]

I think LL and Cube benefited from getting into Hollywood. Maintaining relevancy helped them transcend eras. But I think for LL it really helped the most that he fully embraced being a heart throb as he got older

Yeah, but even with the relevancy, when was Cube's last acclaimed album? When was LL's? LL actually tried very hard in 2000 with The GOAT. I liked it, but it didn't garner the acclaim from purists that he sought.

 

[maxamusa]

Rap Really would not even be on mainstream daytime radio.
or prime time radio.
if not for juice.



Battling would not be a draw if not for juice. Making it a draw in Cali singlehandedly. Winning radio battles with his jaw wired shyt for six months straight just for starters.

rap would not be even mentioned aa a primetime draw on tv.

if not for juice writing summertime.
Juice has albums sir.

Everything that this gen of rappers had.
as a gateway comes from juice. Especially if you are a eminem mass exodus gateway fan like..
Alluvyouse....

How y'all sleep and let people lie to y'all about who the best is.

It is crazy.



Art Barr

I'm prolly a lot younger than u...I'm genuinely asking....cause I love this shyt n I'm a student of the game...I never heard a record just seen the battles

Positively
Enlightening
All
Children
Equally

 

[maxamusa]

I mean they’re really trying to wipe anybody out not named Biggie or Pac. Kris ain’t mentioned but I mean only super old heads are naming people like Rakim or Kane these days.

I'm in my mid 30s


I fukk with biggie and pac 2....but if I'm being fair no way. Me and my homie use to rap gimme the loot and not miss a bar.

 

[Ku$h Parker]

Big ahead of Lesane in real time

The Shock of his Death was still Fresh in the Air