You didn't link a single song from the EARLY 2000s...
You have some of the worst takes of all time
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TI doesn't have any undisputed classic albums, I'll agree with you there. Trap Muzik and Urban Legend are the closest he got with that; those two are arguably classic but if one has to "argue" an album is classic it probably isn't...
He has plenty of classic singles, though. Never in life has the barometer of what a classic is, been measured by placement in cinema. Or else 99% of the records we call classics really aren't that...
I'm 33 years old so I remember DMX's brief run pretty well, and I've been saying for years he's overrated, but we'll save that for a different thread. Party Up isn't one of his best records despite being maybe his biggest commercial hit, TI has plenty of songs better than Party Up----->X has plenty of songs better than Party Up but because it made a movie it's a classic
I'll also agree with you that 2000s hip hop didn't age well, particularly after about '02. From '03 thru the end of the decade it got super corny but it wasn't "trap" that watered it down, as REAL "trap" was just the evolution of "gangsta rap"; "gangsta rap" evolved to "trap" which has since evolved to "drill" and a decade from now there'll be a newer iteration of the same shyt..
And Tip's music overall hasn't aged well so I don't disagree with you there either, especially your point being that most of that 2003 thru 2009 rap is bad upon retrospect. To say "none" aged well though is hyperbolic...
Trap Muzik isn't Reasonable Doubt but it's a damn good album even 19 years later. Maybe just short of classic but it's close enough to argue, it's strong...
Also false that Luda has no classics, similar to Tip, he has a handful of albums that can be argued as classic but none that are unbeatable, but he has classic songs...
TI also is a real street dude, this idea he isn't came from all the goofy antics over the years and didn't even start until the federal arrest and Shawty Lo beef, so it had a carryover effect. And again he didn't help himself with his own behavior at times but his actual street resume isn't in question. I don't think most grown men view Tip as some American Gangster but his street background is authentic...
You the only poster who can mix solid takes and bad takes all in one post so consistently
This isn't even a Top 50 Ludacris song nikka lol...
Unbelievable...
TI was super relevant from 2003 thru 2009 or so. That was his peak run, he had healthy longevity. I wouldn't say he had rap in a choke though, that exact same period overlapped with the peaks of Kanye and Wayne who, deservedly so, are greater rappers on the All-Time boards because they put out more resounding art at the same time...
Tip's peak also saw Drake's intro, Jeezy's intro and high ass peak, saw older rappers like Hov and Common put out work as good or better than Tip's best (Tip doesn't have a single album fukking with '05's Be)...
I'm saying all this as a guy whose long said I'm a Tip fan...
He had his run, it was potent and he deserves to be commemorated for his contributions during his run. He was hot, nikkas saying he wasn't are haters, but I think saying he had the game in the choke is going to the extreme in the other direction, too...
All those videos are wack, those songs were wack when they were released
You typed all that crap for nothing
Rick Ross don't even got now classics, but his music a lot better than TIs and it's not even close
TI does not have a legacy, what artist have influenced, were all the TI clones at, never were none
TI made fake hood music, it sounded hood to people who weren't from the hood, it's commercial, Gucci and Jeezy So Icy is cloer to classic than anything TI ever made
His commercial songs were hits, but they did not age well, the production on his albums have not aged well, none of that 2000s shyt as aged well, very few shyts, I mean even Kanye first album is trash if you go back and listen to it, the album is horrible
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