It’s crazy how the world went from “Black Lives Matter” to “lock them nikkas up.”

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I don't understand why some of you interpret any of us as saying criminals should go free or run wild. Who has said a single pro-criminal thing in this thread? This isn't a "penalties are too harsh thread". If due process really worked I would be less concerned since court outcomes would favor the innocent. But let's not be blind about these things.

Every crime being done now has laws on the books that can command heavy time. There is no need to more draconian or vicious policing. People know how to handle this stuff. A prosecutor forcing 10 innocent people into jail with a plea deal when they can't afford counsel receives less electoral blowback than one guilty person getting out early. This argument is basically claiming the ends justify the means and large collateral damage is just par for the course in 'cleaning up the streets'.

A lot your arguments sound like the same stuff I heard in 2001 when the Patriot Act and all the other no-warrant surveilling stuff started. Namely, if you don't do crime, why worry and only a few innocent people will get caught up.

20 years later FOIA shows us by far this surveillance is applied to domestic protest groups, not Islamic terrorists. I am sure this will go the same way if we let them.
Man your right about that:mjpls:
DEA approved more than 50 requests for covert surveillance of racial justice protests last summer - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington
The Drug Enforcement Administration approved at least 51 requests from state, local and federal law enforcement agencies to conduct covert surveillance during racial justice protests last summer, according to records obtained by CREW. The nationwide surveillance operation occurred in cities including Los Angeles, Tampa, Denver and St. Louis, and involved agents infiltrating crowds undercover, as well as aerial and vehicular surveillance to monitor protesters.

The operations were part of a two-week expansion of the DEA’s domestic surveillance authority by Justice Department leadership in June 2020, as first reported by BuzzFeed News. An initial release of records, obtained by CREW in an ongoing Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, detailed DEA’s surveillance efforts in Philadelphia, Chicago and Albuquerque.

The new records reveal the full scope of the DEA’s surveillance operations last summer. While some agencies sought DEA’s help with apprehending people suspected of theft or looting, CREW counted at least 51 instances where agencies enlisted DEA to secretly monitor protesters engaged in First Amendment protected activity.:mjpls:

In California, the DEA approved surveillance requests submitted to its Los Angeles Division Office by police departments in Santa Monica, Los Angeles, Long Beach and Baldwin Park. The Santa Monica Police Department specifically sought “the assistance of DEA agents to support undercover surveillance operations.”
Minneapolis Police Caught on Video 'Hunting' Activists
The officers’ own body cams record them taking pot shots at largely peaceful protesters, and celebrating their hits with laughter and fist bumps. Cruising in an unmarked cargo van, one officer imitates Elmer Fudd, Bugs Bunny’s cartoon nemesis, saying: “Be vewy vewy quiet. We’re hunting activists.” A police commander used the same language in a recording captured after midnight: “Tonight it was… ‘We’re goin’ out hunting.’ Just a nice change of tempo,” he said, adding: “fukk these people!’”:mjpls:
 

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“Police aren’t a deterrent to crime” as violent crime soars to new highs due to pandemic related slowdowns in police departments nation wide. TheColi.com in a nutshell :dead:

Just look at how bad NYC has gotten since loosening things up, if you truly believe police aren’t a deterrent.
Let’s say your argument is true, which it’s not, but let’s say it is. Why on earth would I want MORE police if they’re so mentally and emotionally fragile that all it takes are some words to make them stop doing their job? How are they going to protect me?

The same police who are supposed to protect me are on camera beating up people for calling them a name or cursing at them. How does that help deter crime?

What are these new historic highs in crime? Point them out. I’ll wait.

If crime is surging, and the supposed solution is the police (which have bigger budgets than they’ve EVER had), wouldn’t that suggest the police haven’t been good at their job to begin with? In what job do you get a raise and more funding for being mediocre at it? Oh yeah, teaching. Another system which is failing black folks.
 

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I am genuinely curious as to what you think the approach for this “surge” in crime should be? Please explain what would make you feel safe. This is not a troll question.
A shift in cultural mindset, which is obviously easier said than done. We're the only race in America that actively protects our undesirables. I'd even go as far as to say we put them on a pedestal (eg: rap music, "square" vs "real nikka" theory, etc). You only need to look at the attitudes in this thread, and others like it (eg: the one made last week about the homicide problem in our community) to see that this is a real thing. There's 0 accountability and instead of holding our criminals up to the fire we look to blame others for their actions. I've made a thread on this before. White people actively shun their bottom class and even give them a name, "white trash" as a means to disassociate.

I have a theory about why this happens. I call it "six degrees of nikkaration." (:mjlol:) Essentially, criminality is so normalized in black America that a disproportionate amount of our people can point to a loved one who has been in/out of prison. It's either their dad, uncle, best friend, brother, mom, sister, or they themselves. If not a direct loved one, then a loved one of a friend, so on and so forth. And because of this lenient attitudes about criminality have been developed. It's hard to accept that Dr. Umar "put these nikkas down for good" talk when you got a close friend in the bing for violent robbery.

As a people, we need to take a hard stance on this shyt and start effectively policing our own communities. Y'all routinely talk about white supremacy this and white supremacy that but then turn around and expect white people to be the ones to come save us.
 

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Those who need to be locked up should be. :mjpls:
 

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It doesn't say anything about th black community it says something about humanity, humans are and have always been violent


Black people are humans and humanity is violent, true.

So then what's the solution to the rising crime rate in black cities like Memphis? Are we saying it's just inevitable that if the police pull out and guns are available that folks will naturally start killing each other more? How do we help the black folks that aren't out robbing and killing achieve a level of safety and security so they can actually prosper in their own neighborhoods around their own people?
 

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It’s the police. Every law enforcement department had work slow downs, record retirements and people quitting. This was done on purpose to let crime go up. The cops in Ferguson did this after the Micheal Brown situation and Baltimore PD did this back after the Freddy Gray riots. In short when cops start looking like the bad guy and reforms are passed to hold them accountable they do work slowdowns. Allow crime to rise to create a narrative that any reform will lead to high crime and violence. The NYPD has been in work slow down since the George Floyd protest started and I know this because my girlfriend’s parents know people in the PD who warned them it’s a work slow down and be careful. Police unions are the main groups that push work slow downs. They are the biggest obstacles to reform and the biggest mafia in any city. Wouldn’t be surprised if all the police unions coordinated together for a National work slow down.
Nah don’t place the blame on them that’s what nikkas asked for, less involvement of law enforcement, blame these demonic ass nikkas who took advantage and are killing at record levels.

Some folks can never own up to the reality and need a scapegoat the police, the system, racism etc ain’t causing these demonic ass dudes to rob and kill their doing it because they want to simple as that.
 
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