voltronblack
Superstar
Man your right about thatI don't understand why some of you interpret any of us as saying criminals should go free or run wild. Who has said a single pro-criminal thing in this thread? This isn't a "penalties are too harsh thread". If due process really worked I would be less concerned since court outcomes would favor the innocent. But let's not be blind about these things.
Every crime being done now has laws on the books that can command heavy time. There is no need to more draconian or vicious policing. People know how to handle this stuff. A prosecutor forcing 10 innocent people into jail with a plea deal when they can't afford counsel receives less electoral blowback than one guilty person getting out early. This argument is basically claiming the ends justify the means and large collateral damage is just par for the course in 'cleaning up the streets'.
A lot your arguments sound like the same stuff I heard in 2001 when the Patriot Act and all the other no-warrant surveilling stuff started. Namely, if you don't do crime, why worry and only a few innocent people will get caught up.
20 years later FOIA shows us by far this surveillance is applied to domestic protest groups, not Islamic terrorists. I am sure this will go the same way if we let them.

DEA approved more than 50 requests for covert surveillance of racial justice protests last summer - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington
Minneapolis Police Caught on Video 'Hunting' ActivistsThe Drug Enforcement Administration approved at least 51 requests from state, local and federal law enforcement agencies to conduct covert surveillance during racial justice protests last summer, according to records obtained by CREW. The nationwide surveillance operation occurred in cities including Los Angeles, Tampa, Denver and St. Louis, and involved agents infiltrating crowds undercover, as well as aerial and vehicular surveillance to monitor protesters.
The operations were part of a two-week expansion of the DEA’s domestic surveillance authority by Justice Department leadership in June 2020, as first reported by BuzzFeed News. An initial release of records, obtained by CREW in an ongoing Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, detailed DEA’s surveillance efforts in Philadelphia, Chicago and Albuquerque.
The new records reveal the full scope of the DEA’s surveillance operations last summer. While some agencies sought DEA’s help with apprehending people suspected of theft or looting, CREW counted at least 51 instances where agencies enlisted DEA to secretly monitor protesters engaged in First Amendment protected activity.
In California, the DEA approved surveillance requests submitted to its Los Angeles Division Office by police departments in Santa Monica, Los Angeles, Long Beach and Baldwin Park. The Santa Monica Police Department specifically sought “the assistance of DEA agents to support undercover surveillance operations.”
The officers’ own body cams record them taking pot shots at largely peaceful protesters, and celebrating their hits with laughter and fist bumps. Cruising in an unmarked cargo van, one officer imitates Elmer Fudd, Bugs Bunny’s cartoon nemesis, saying: “Be vewy vewy quiet. We’re hunting activists.” A police commander used the same language in a recording captured after midnight: “Tonight it was… ‘We’re goin’ out hunting.’ Just a nice change of tempo,” he said, adding: “fukk these people!’”![]()