J. Cole - KOD (Discussion Thread)

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[Ricky43]

That's management. Not really a knock on his creative freedom with his music.

Section.80, GKMC, TPAB and Damn. weren't lacking in creative freedom at all. Each sound completely different, and the content isn't necessarily ideal for the face of a label.

Kendrick has always had creative freedom with his releases...we can't say the same for Cole who's openly admitted to compromising his sound/vision in his debut just to get a release date. And now, later on in his career, he appears to be trying to make up for that with his recent releases

One song?The workout one? Album 2 sounded different and he dropped when Kanye dropped which was unheard of.

 

[Left.A1]

This album is crazy man .... I really can’t recall playing back a Cole project this much since Friday Night Lights






I’m talking about front to back consistency .... different production styles ... different topical ranges ... different flows ... yet all tied together thematically




This shyt going crazy right now

 

[Metal Face]

Just finished it and

Not as boring as his last album, but this didn't anything for me. Production is mediocre and some of the hooks on these tracks are awful.
1985 had some good lines though.

 

[CrimsonTider]

I don't converse with nikkas who have Cardi B avis, kick rocks fairy, don't quote me again.

I got it. So you just saying it was directed toward Pump because of Coli groupthink

I must say, by your songs I'm unimpressed, hey
But I love to see a Black man get paid
And plus, you havin' fun and I respect that

@KingTut This idiot claiming to put me on ignore cause he can't explain how 1985 is about Lil Pump. FOH

 

[Piff Perkins]

Drake didnt share a state with Future Drake performed for 1 hour and 30 minutes and Future did 20 minutes

Drake sold out MSG 4 days straight.

Cole is not on Drake or Kendrick's level. Future, Migos and Sean are very close or equal to Cole.

I can't cosign this. Obviously Drake is #1, and Kendrick is #2 (in terms of popularity/sales/etc). You're arguing that it's basically those two...and everyone else is below them on various other levels. I'd still argue this is a room with 3 people in it, including Cole, and then everyone else comes after. You posted on tour info already lol: Sean can't do an arena tour like Cole did. Neither can Future, whose last tour was mainly amphitheaters and parks. I'm not knocking Future, he's clearly successful...but he isn't touring like Cole.

Drake, Kendrick, Cole

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Future, Migos

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Sean, Chance


Cole is gonna at least do 500k first week. Future/Migos/etc aren't in that ballpark.

 

[GoldenGlove]

One song?The workout one? Album 2 sounded different and he dropped when Kanye dropped which was unheard of.

He goes in detail on Let Nas Down. It was more than just one song, it was plenty of songs prior to that one where he was just reaching to get a release date.

Now y'all want to have revisionist history.

And even tho Born Sinner is my fav album from him, even that had Crooked Smile on it.

 

[chiefdogg]

Gonna give this another spin.

 

[Ricky43]

He goes in detail on Let Nas Down. It was more than just one song, it was plenty of songs prior to that one where he was just reaching to get a release date.

Now y'all want to have revisionist history.

And even tho Born Sinner is my fav album from him, even that had Crooked Smile on it.

Really? Which ones I remember who dat which def not single heavy as the workout song so where are these “plenty” you speak of?

And I heard let nas down he mentioned the song I said earlier so I’m not sure what you taking about..you might be the revisionist

 

[Killer Instinct]

Man..

 

[DeuceZ]

been vibing to this for 2 days

ATM video reminiscent of Gimme some mo

 

[GoldenGlove]

Really? Which ones I remember who dat which def not single heavy as the workout song so where are these “plenty” you speak of?

And I heard let nas down he mentioned the song I said earlier so I’m not sure what you taking about..you might be the revisionist

Can't Get Enough
Mr. Nice Watch
Work Out
Nobody's Perfect
Who Dat
Blow Up

Who really has revisionist history?

 

[Ineedmoney504]

He goes in detail on Let Nas Down. It was more than just one song, it was plenty of songs prior to that one where he was just reaching to get a release date.

Now y'all want to have revisionist history.

And even tho Born Sinner is my fav album from him, even that had Crooked Smile on it.

It was mainly workout. Cause the other songs wasnt commercial enough so he didn’t a release

He tired to push who dat and blow up as the singles. Both far from sellout songs. Then he went to the drawing board to try and craft s commercial single which was a when he compromised his sound

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Can't Get Enough
Mr. Nice Watch
Work Out
Nobody's Perfect
Who Dat
Blow Up

Who really has revisionist history?

Lol who day and blow up where far from commercial

Mr nice watch and work out u have a point

Nobody’s perfect is Cole from the fnl days lol. That’s the exact songs he was making then,only difference he wanted it to song like Aaliyah was singing the hook. In his mixtape days he would be signing the hook. And if it was today he would be signing the hook also.

 

[GoldenGlove]

It was mainly workout. Cause the other songs wasnt commercial enough so he didn’t a release

He tired to push who dat and blow up as the singles. Both far from sellout songs. Then he went to the drawing board to try and craft s commercial single which was a when he compromised his sound

Lol who day and blow up where far from commercial

Mr nice watch and work out u have a point

Nobody’s perfect is Cole from the fnl days lol. That’s the exact songs he was making then,only difference he wanted it to song like Aaliyah was singing the hook. In his mixtape days he would be signing the hook. And if it was today he would be signing the hook also.

My point is that when we're talking about "creative freedom" from J. Cole and Kendrick, it's evident that Cole's has made more compromises in his catalog in comparison. I didn't even list shyt like Crooked Smile and Wet Dreamz which are just cringeworthy for me.



@gluvnast made a claim that Kendrick has less creative freedom than Cole, and I'm saying based off of the content they've dropped, I don't agree.