J.Cole - "Let Nas Down" Unappreciation Thread

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Yeah, I know he had Nas references all over Friday Night Lights, "Villematic". That still don't make it ok to simp to another dude in a song. Integrity,cuh.



It's ok,fam. I understand.

Son if u was around when Workout dropped u woulda known that shyt was literally forced...Damn near no-one liked that shyt when it came out...u can tell Cole himself never liked that song and his explanation for it was that he was being forced to make a commercial single..shyt just randomly caught on months later...no-one even thought that shyt would happen cause like I said..alotta Cole fans didn't like the song...not cause it was commercial..but cause it literally sounded like he was forced to make it...didn't sound like anything he would make up until that point...which is why WAY more people accepted Can't Get Enough initially cause it was commercial but it sounded far less forced...it boggles me that Work Out was more successful than Can't Get Enough..
 
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I wish you could see the look on my face right now, listening to this shyt, jesus fukking christ.

I didn't even like U.B.R., and i hated big brother, this shyt is like a combination of both.

It's like damn he's not horrible but it's just...i almost feel like somebody should be paying me to listen to him, he's a chore.

song is pathetic.. :snoop:

had Nas passed- cool.. but, the shyt is corny.. period..

 

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Son if u was around when Workout dropped u woulda known that shyt was literally forced...Damn near no-one liked that shyt when it came out...u can tell Cole himself never liked that song and his explanation for it was that he was being forced to make a commercial single..shyt just randomly caught on months later...no-one even thought that shyt would happen cause like I said..alotta Cole fans didn't like the song...not cause it was commercial..but cause it literally sounded like he was forced to make it...didn't sound like anything he would make up until that point...which is why WAY more people accepted Can't Get Enough initially cause it was commercial but it sounded far less forced...it boggles me that Work Out was more successful than Can't Get Enough..

WORKOUT went DOUBLE PLATINUM... makes you really wonder if the label WAS correct, because had it not been that song, there would of been a GAIN of people that never heard of cole. :patrice:
 

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I don't know what to think about this song...Pac is Jesus and Nas did write the bible..Jay is a dumb down to double your dollars type artist so I assumed he would be the same way as a boss....

The irony here is that J. Cole is the most uninteresting person of topic on his OWN song...


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What people have to understand about the entire situation is that artists and their music are CONSTANTLY evolving in a continued cycle of the culture. Of the newer generation of MC's to emerge within the last 4 years lets take a look at the artists who have "blown up". J.Cole, Drake, Big Sean, and Kendrick Lamar (I'm leaving Jay Electronica out of the discussion as he has yet to release a proper debut album)

what do all four of these artists have in common? Their musical identities were firmly established BEFORE they released major label debut albums through their mixtapes. Cole's musical path was forged through The Warm Up, Drake's through So Far Gone, Sean's through Finally Famous, and Kendrick's through Section 80. They gained fans and attention through these efforts, with full creative responsibility falling on their shoulders.
All four attained success through their Major Label debut albums, however, of the four, only ONE artist attained unanimous critical acclaim. Which artist would this be? Kendrick Lamar, whose label allowed him the same creative freedom that had been previously allowed him.

Drake on Thank Me Later

“Thank Me Later was a rushed album, I didn’t get to take the time that I wanted to on that record, I rushed a lot of the songs and sonically, I didn’t get to sit with the record, it was like once it was done, it was like its done,”

Drake Focuses On ‘Take Care’; Says ‘Thank Me Later’ Was Rushed « V-103 – The People's Station


J.Cole on Work Out

“That's how you get a song like ‘Work Out,’” J. Cole told Karmaloop TV. “I went to radio stations and seen how radio stations work...I went and learned all these things. That’s how I made a record like ‘Work Out,’ I went, ‘Okay, I can play that game. I’ll give you a song full of hooks,’ the catchy shyt that I knew would work on radio. That’s me playing the game.”

Born Sinner: Predictions On J. Cole's Sophomore Album | Discussing Lil' Wayne, Drake & Many More Hip Hop Artists | HipHop DX

Big Sean on building his fanbase with no label support


"I realized that I had to give them incentive to mess with me as an artist, to get fully behind me. I didn’t have a strong buzz so why would they wanna put out my album over a Young Jeezy or Kanye or Rihanna? But then I realized that any song that I put out was posted on the Internet. I realized, “I could build my own following doing this. Man, fukk a label. I’m just gonna do me.”

Interview: Big Sean Talks Being Broke, Building His Buzz, & Crying To His Mom | Complex


Compare these quotes to Kendrick

“To have an album that I have total creative control over is one of the best feelings in the world. I probably wouldn’t have been able to make a dark album if I didn’t have creative control. That’s why once [some people] get into a situation, they change their style. But I have creative control."

Before The Album — The Making of Kendrick Lamar's "good kid, m.A.A.d city" | Complex

THAT'S what the labels aren't getting and what they fail to understand. In days previous, Nas, Jay-Z, Biggie, and Wu-Tang all made their marks with their debut albums. Their artistic identities were firmly established with the Illmatics, Reasonable Doubts, and 36 Chambers, allowing them to gain fans based upon their natural talents. These newer generation MC's are NOT being the chance to evolve naturally and progressively from their already established identities. The labels are crippling them by forcing them to come up with generic, watered down "hits" which do nothing but stagger the artist's growth. The labels need to understand that J.Cole, Drake, and Big Sean have already EARNED their fan's loyalty by releasing mixtapes and touring. The debut album should be a statement of artistic integrity rather than a manufactured introduction through a bullshyt single aimed at the top 40.

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I don't know what to think about this song...Pac is Jesus and Nas did write the bible..Jay is a dumb down to double your dollars type artist so I assumed he would be the same way as a boss....

The irony here is that J. Cole is the most uninteresting person of topic on his OWN song...


:scusthov:

because the song is extremely average..

dudes in here writing dissertations because someone wrote a song about their favorite rapper.. truth be told- everything to come out of this track, is pathetic..

funny thing is, say Waka wrote a song about Jeezy in the same ilk- there would be a upped thread with photoshops, and all that shyt..
 

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because the song is extremely average..

dudes in here writing dissertations because someone wrote a song about their favorite rapper.. truth be told- everything to come out of this track, is pathetic..

funny thing is, say Waka wrote a song about Jeezy in the same ilk- there would be a upped thread with photoshops, and all that shyt..

The song might be titled terribly but it isn't about Nas at all. Have you even listened to it?
 

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Just heard the song.


Like I said before it even dropped, this song is NOTHING like "Big Brother" save for the pseudo hook. Its about a fan of hip hop growing up idolizing one of the genre's master MC's and how it feels to have that MC show disappointment in you, J.Cole was honest and fair in how he viewed the situation. Again, Work Out was the song that got his album released, he felt like to have a career he was forced to make it, and Nas showed disapproval which angered Cole as Cole pointed out Nas's own history of crossover singles (You Owe Me)


Its an excellent song and I commend J.Cole for showing respect and acknowledging the pitfalls of being an artist signed to a major label who has to in some facet, sacrifice his art to get it to the masses. Like Lupe Fiasco, Cole isn't afraid to call out the bullshyt that comes with being on a Major label. This song is so much more than just "I let Nas down" it's a metaphor for how he feels he let HIMSELF down for having to even release a song like Work Out. Notice how the first bars are a re-spit of Nas Is Like, which was Nas's first single from I AM. THAT is the type of music that J.Cole, in his heart, wants to make and wants to use as a representation of his art. Work Out was merely a means to please Roc Nation and Jay-Z. Cole's entire point is that Nas, who famously quoted in his OWN first single from the controversial and racially charged Untitled
"My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit"


So J.Cole as a fan of Nas and his lyrics would expect him to understand the struggle of being an artist trying his damndest to make a large enough platform for himself and his art so that it CAN be shared on a mainstream scale. Where the chasm lies is that Nas, 20 years in the game, can release whatever the hell he wants, when he wants, HOW he wants and be successful. A single like Nasty and Daughters can push Nas to Gold because his fanbase will always support him. Can Cole do 250k first week without Work Out? We'll never know the answer and you can be sure the label wasn't going to bet on it. Nas probably believed that Cole could do numbers based upon his talent and lyricism, like Kendrick Lamar did, and Cole obviously believes as such, but Nas has that power to say "this is going to represent my album and my direction", and Cole at the time did not.
#TPC

Buildings crushed:wow:

There's a reason he's the goat poster:wow:
 

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I don't know what to think about this song...Pac is Jesus and Nas did write the bible..Jay is a dumb down to double your dollars type artist so I assumed he would be the same way as a boss....

The irony here is that J. Cole is the most uninteresting person of topic on his OWN song...


:scusthov:
That last line you wrote reminded me when someone said he got a song called ambien coming out:russ:
 
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