Ja Rule "Black People need to come together as an entity to figure out the N-Word"

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It has no power. It's just another word. So what. A white man called you a ******. nikkas call nikkas, nikka, everyday.

We out smarted them. And changed our culture. Because it's not our language anyway. We didn't come from a place with a dictionary anyway.
 

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It has no power. It's just another word. So what. A white man called you a ******. nikkas call nikkas, nikka, everyday.

We out smarted them. And changed our culture. Because it's not our language anyway. We didn't come from a place with a dictionary anyway.


If you don't get the fukk outta here with this "made for t.v." shyt.


I wish I could Neg you 100 times
 

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Personally im not because i dont link those words to degradation.

You don't? That's because you don't know your black history:mjlol: Negro is the earliest word given to african/african slaves who faced this degradation. Getting away from the word "negro" was the impetus for Aframs creating the modern concept of "black" identity


What's In a Name?
Negro vs. Afro-American vs. Black





Are there substantial grounds for the violent opposition to the word "Negro"?

To answer these questions and to relate them to the whole bubbling controversy, one must go back 400 years. For Americans of African descent have been arguing about names ever since they were forcibly transported from Africa by Europeans who arbitrarily branded them "Blackamoors," "Moors," "negers," and "negros." The English word "Negro" is a derivative of the Spanish and Portuguese word negro, which means black. The Portuguese and Spanish, who were pioneers in the African Slave Trade, used this adjective to designate the African men and women whom they captured and transported to the slave mart of the New World. Within a short time, the Portuguese word negro (no capital) became the English noun-adjective "negro." This word, which was not capitalized at first, fused not only humanity, nationality and place of origin but also certain white judgements about the inherent and irredeemable inferiority of the persons so designated The word also referred to certain Jim Crow places, i.e., the "negro pew" in Christian churches.

Although the word "Negro" became a generally acceptable designation in the l930s, there was strong opposition from militant radicals like Adam Clayton Powell, who continued to use the word "black," and from militant nationalists like Elijah Muhammad, who continued to speak of "so-called Negroes." This opposition, inchoate and unorganized, was sharpened in the '50s and '60s by the rhetorical artistry of Malcolm X and the emergence of the Black Power movement. But MalcoIm X and the Black Power movement were reflections of a general crisis of identity which is similar in tone and urgency to the crises of the 19th century and the first decades of the 20th.

It appears, from this short historical sketch, that the word "Negro" has been a generally acceptable term in the black or, if you prefer, the Negro community for relatively short time. It appears also that there has been continuous and sustained opposition to the term. Contemporary critics of the word "Negro" say Booker T. Washington was primarily responsible for the campaign in which the word "Negro" supplanted the the words "black," "colored," and "Afro-American." There is truth in this -- the Negro Year Book and the Negro Business League were Washington projects -- but it is not the whole truth. The movement for adoption of the word "Negro" was also given a strong impetus by militant radicals like W. E. B. Du Bois, who was one of the founders of the American Negro Academy, and militant nationalists like Marcus Garvey, who used the word "Negro" consistently and named his organization the Universal Negro Improvement Association.

Baird objects to the word "Negro" on two grounds. 1) The word "Negro" is a slave-oriented epithet which was imposed on Americans of African descent by slavemasters. "The word came into use," Baird says, "in connection with the enslavement of the African in the New World. The use of the word became connected with what Earl Conrad has so well called the "Negro-Concept," that grotesque conception of the African which has been shaped in the mind of the European and forced with Procrustean cruelty on the person and personality of the black American."

2) The word "Negro" is not geographically or culturally specific. "Historically," he says, "human groups have been named according to the land from which they originated .... The unwillingness of the dominant group to recognize the humanity of the African is evidenced by the fact that when it is necessary or desired to identify Americans in terns of the land of their origin, terms such as Italian-American, Polish-American, Spanish-American, Jewish-American (referring back to the ancient kingdom and culture of Judaea), etc., are employed. In the American mind there is no connection of the black American with land, history and culture--factors which proclaim the humanity of an individual." Baird denies that the English word "Negro" is a synonym for black. He says. "'Negro' does not mean simply 'black,' which would be the simple, direct opposite of 'white.' We talk about a 'white man' or a 'white Cadillac'; we may talk, as many unfortunately do, of a 'Negro man,' but never of a 'Negro Cadillac.'

Baird believes the word "Afro-American" will supplant the word "Negro." He does not object to the term "black," which, he says, lacks the historical and cultural precision of the word "Afro-American." He is supported in this view by Richard Moore, Harlem bookstore owner and author of The Name "Negro"--It's Origin and Evil Use. Moore says the word "Negro" is so "saturated with filth," so "polluted" with the white man's stereotypes, that "there is nothing to be done but to get rid of it." He prefers the word "Afro-American" because of its "correctness, exactness, even elegance." He believes the adoption of the word will force "these prejudiced European-Americans" to reevaluate black people in terms of their history and culture. "Black," Moore said, "is a loose color designation which is not connected with land, history, and culture. While I recognize it as a step forward in getting rid of the term 'Negro,' I think it is necessary to take the next step."

Bennett, What's In a Name? Negro vs. Afro-American vs. Black (1967)
 

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"N1gger" is the most degrading word in history. We all know this and we've been so mentally brainwashed

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The word "nigg(er)" is actually no more degrading than the words "negro" and "negroid" to those who have knowledge of the words. The same shyt they did to blacks while calling them "nigg(er) they also did while calling them "negro" and negro was used since the beginning of the slave trade:jbhmm:


Negro

The word Negro (plural, Negroes) was used in the English-speaking world to refer to a person of black ancestry or appearance. Negro denotes "black" in Spanish and Portuguese, derived from the ancient Latin word niger, meaning black, which itself is probably from a Proto-Indo-European root *nekw-, "to be dark", akin to *nokw-, night.[1][2]

In English


A European map of West Africa, 1736. Included is the archaic mapping designation of Negroland.


"Negro" was once an acceptable term. All-Negro Comics was a 1947 comic anthology written by African-American writers and featuring black characters.
Around 1442, the Portuguese first arrived in Southern Africa while trying to find a sea route to India. The term negro, literally meaning 'black', was used by the Spanish and Portuguese as a simple description to refer to the Bantu peoples that they encountered. From the 18th century to the late 1960s, negro (later capitalized) was considered to be the proper English-language term for people of black African origin.

United States
Negro superseded colored as the most polite word for African Americans at a time when black was considered more offensive.[3] This word was accepted as normal, including by people classified as Negroes, until the late 1960s, after the later African-American Civil Rights Movement. One well-known example is the identification by Martin Luther King, Jr. of his own race as "Negro" in his famous speech of 1963, "I Have a Dream".

During the civil rights movements era of the 1950s and 1960s, some black American leaders in the United States, notably Malcolm X, objected to the word Negro because they associated it with the long history of slavery, segregation, and discrimination that treated African Americans as second class citizens, or worse.[4] Malcolm X preferred Black to Negro, but also started using the term Afro-American after leaving the Nation of Islam.[5]

Since the late 1960s, various other terms have been more widespread in popular usage. These include black, Black African, Afro-American (in use from the late 1960s to 1990) and African American (used in the United States to refer to black Americans, people often referred to in the past as American Negroes).[6]

The term Negro is still used in some historical contexts, such as in the name of the United Negro College Fund[7][8] and the Negro league in sports.

The United States Census Bureau announced that Negro would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside Black and African-American, because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term.[9][10][11]

The word Negro fell out of favor by the early 1970s in the United States after the African-American Civil Rights Movement. However, many older African Americans initially found the term black more offensive than Negro. In current English language usage, Negro is generally considered to be acceptable in a historical context, such as Negro spirituals or baseball's Negro Leagues of the early and mid-20th century, or in the name of older organizations, as in the United Negro College Fund or the Journal of Negro Education. The U.S. Census now uses the grouping "Black, African-American, or Negro." Negro is used in efforts to include older African Americans who more closely associate with the term.[12] According to Oxford Dictionaries, use of the word "now seems out of date or even offensive in both British and US English".[13]

A specifically female form of the word, negress (sometimes capitalized), was occasionally used. However, like Jewess, it has all but completely fallen from use. The related word Negroid was used by 19th- and 20th-century racial anthropologists. The suffix -oid means "similar to". "Negroid" as a noun was used to designate a wider or more generalized category than Negro; as an adjective it qualified a noun as in, for example, "negroid features".[14]





And like i said, to my knowledge we are the only ones who do it so publicly. Out of curiousity, Do Italians use the word "Gumba" in their music and movies? And if so, how often?

yes along with dago, wop, guinea etc:pachaha:
 

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Naw, its a reminder of the mental chains that we are STILL in. On a macro level, the black community is still suffering from the effects of 400+ years of mental brainwashing. Us degrading ourselves with the very same word our oppressors used is an example of how successful the brainwashing was and still is

I am not degrading anyone
How do you chose the context of our words?

You crying about it shows how successful the brainwashing was. It's just a word.
 

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Your not saying anything thing. Stop taggin me.

What? Are you scared that you look crazy as fukk right now? Did I embarrass you? Because it's more like you're embarrassing yourself



Which is why we need to do something about this word. This is a real life in the heat of the moment situation right here (between you and I). You and I are real life proof that this shyt can't wait any longer
 

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What? Are you scared that you look crazy as fukk right now? Did I embarrass you? Because it's more like you're embarrassing yourself



Which is why we need to do something about this word. This is a real life in the heat of the moment situation right here (between you and I). You and I are real life proof that this shyt can't wait any longer

Embarrassing myself?
Looking crazy?

Bro you haven't made one point. You just talking shyt to me. And I'm trying hard not to embarrass you. Cause I can tell your weak and a hoe nikka. I could just bite you hoes half thinking head off. But I was trying to have a conversation.

So if you ain't gonna have a conversation... You might wanna go the fukk on... Cause I ain't what you want. Not even on the message board burn, I'll still make you feel like the half a man hoe I can tell that you are. bytch nikka.
 

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Naw, its a reminder of the mental chains that we are STILL in. On a macro level, the black community is still suffering from the effects of 400+ years of mental brainwashing. Us degrading ourselves with the very same word our oppressors used is an example of how successful the brainwashing was and still is

In the grand scheme of things, the "n word" ranks very low in terms of mental oppression. If you really want to take it there, that word is possibly the least method of degradation. In comparison to:

- Blacks not being comfortable in their own skin to the point of bleaching and self mutilation

- the crab mentality

There's a litany of other effects of mental brainwashing that have done more damage and still do more damage than the "n word" ever has/will.
 

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I don't agree that the "n word" is the most degrading word in history either. Why? Because you could take any word and use it in a negative manner to oppress a person/group.
 

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Embarrassing myself?
Looking crazy?

Bro you haven't made one point. You just talking shyt to me. And I'm trying hard not to embarrass you. Cause I can tell your weak and a hoe nikka. I could just bite you hoes half thinking head off. But I was trying to have a conversation.

So if you ain't gonna have a conversation... You might wanna go the fukk on... Cause I ain't what you want. Not even on the message board burn, I'll still make you feel like the half a man hoe I can tell that you are. bytch nikka.

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I made THE point. THE point that's already been made by Scholars, Politicians, Entertainers, and Street nikkaz alike. The only thing you're saying is what 20 Year Olds said in the 70s that most of them outgrew or saw past later on.


Since you wanna talk about History n all
 

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Personally im not because i dont link those words to degradation.

"N1gger" is the most degrading word in history. We all know this and we've been so mentally brainwashed

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that we not only proudly call ourselves that now but we actually fight to KEEP calling ourselves that. :dead: Its almost like the ultimate "win" for the white man. Its almost like a beaten and battered woman calling HERSELF a "b1tch" or a "slut" because its been ingrained into her psyche. Or a child calling him or herself "stupid" because thats all he/she hears from the parents and teachers.

And like i said, to my knowledge we are the only ones who do it so publicly. Out of curiousity, Do Italians use the word "Gumba" in their music and movies? And if so, how often? Because im sure that it doesnt come close to the most popular artform on the planet: hiphop

Those words play to the point that I'm trying to make. Both of those words are used as a form of oppression towards women. Yet, you hear women call each other these words as a term of endearment. It's women of all races who do it publicly. Is it offensive? Of course, people still find those words offensive, but women still defend the usage. Some even say it takes the power away from the word when they refer to themselves and each other as such. They aren't even beaten or battered or have suffered oppression. For whatever reason, they take a liking to the word.

As far as gumba and other slurs, those words are used in movies. A lot of movies have those terms in them especially mafia themed movies.
 

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Those words play to the point that I'm trying to make. Both of those words are used as a form of oppression towards women. Yet, you hear women call each other these words as a term of endearment. It's women of all races who do it publicly. Is it offensive? Of course, people still find those words offensive, but women still defend the usage. Some even say it takes the power away from the word when they refer to themselves and each other as such. They aren't even beaten or battered or have suffered oppression. For whatever reason, they take a liking to the word.

As far as gumba and other slurs, those words are used in movies. A lot of movies have those terms in them especially mafia themed movies.


And yet only those Sets call each other that. Not "the whole world" like what's going on in Rap music.


Big difference.



We also made that distinction around Page 3 (and later on) but I can dig it
 

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Personally im not because i dont link those words to degradation.

"N1gger" is the most degrading word in history. We all know this and we've been so mentally brainwashed

also, LMAO @ the thought of "negro" and "negroid" not being racist and not representing/going hand in hand with the degrading of black africans and then later, their descendents in the new world. Black people with knowledge been knew these words were no different from "nigg(er)" as defined by the white man

This is what Garvey called his organization

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..........he should have known better because his own wife had these thoughts on the word "negro"

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Aframs back in the 1800's even knew the word "negro" and of "negroid" were suspect and degrading based on what white people tried to make it represent


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this is what white people thought of "negroes"

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...so no, don't try to tell me the words negro, negrito, negroid etc.. as defined and originiated by white people are any different than nigg(er). The one difference is black people on their own gave/created their own definition to words like "black" and made up the term "nikka", which whites actually never used.
 
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