Jamal Crawford explains how Westbrook is viewed differently between players and "stat guys"

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

That was a shytty excuse anyways because if anything you'd expect more people to watch out of boredom, I know personally my tastes have changed. I couldn't imagine just sitting around for hours watching sports like I use to. I barely watch TV anymore as it is.

And that's the real issue of what happened. A lot of people's consumption and viewing habits were already changing prior to COVID-19 and the pandemic accelerated the problem and made it worse. A lot of those people who left aren't necessarily coming back and if they do, it will be a while before that happens.

It was laughable that people thought that the ratings were going to return to normal once things reopen as that wasn't going to be the case.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

And that's the real issue of what happened. A lot of people's consumption and viewing habits were already changing prior to COVID-19 and the pandemic accelerated the problem and made it worse. A lot of those people who left aren't necessarily coming back and if they do, it will be a while before that happens.

It was laughable that people thought that the ratings were going to return to normal once things reopen as that wasn't going to be the case.

Right, Millennials and Gen Z for whatever reason don't consume sports the way Gen X and Boomers do. I'm pretty sure that's the issue in a nutshell. I have a bunch of friends who straight up don't watch like that or care to at all, and we all watched a ton when we were younger.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Right, Millennials and Gen Z for whatever reason don't consume sports the way Gen X and Boomers do. I'm pretty sure that's the issue in a nutshell. I have a bunch of friends who straight up don't watch like that or care to at all, and we all watched a ton when we were younger.

And that is a problem in and of itself as social media consumption doesn't necessarily equate to people watching and consuming your product. For example, if you look at social media platforms and how much people talk about the NBA on there, you would think that it's more popular than the NFL when it's not even close to it ratings wise.

The NBA wants to be on the NFL's level so bad that they are perfectly fine with any discussion about them whether it's good or bad as they view it as attention being brought to their product. All of that social media talk and hot take takes isn't necessarily translating into new viewership other than it being fodder talk for social media content.

 

[F K]

On the black/white debate I think hardcore nba fans are more likely to be black, whereas the nba still has a massive casual white fan base. Most of the ppl in my life who really talk hoops are black but every time I go to a game or look at the stands while watching it's full of white people.(especially in certain markets utah, cleveland, mke, orl)

As far as russ goes the man is a great player with a couple of glaring holes in his game. I love to watch him play but idk if I would want him on my team.

 

[HandyWithTheSteel]

“B-b-but Westbrook a real one”

“He’s only hated by stat geeks”

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Five star thread bump. Great execution.

Let's see where all these muh'fukkas are at now. bu-but Westbrook's only hated by stat geeks; real ones know how great he is.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

No lies told


But these couch warriors on the coli think they can criticize Russ

There is no middle ground. Jamal just gave you the temperature of the players, but now you’d be more interested in what the coaches have to say? Nah, you seem to be looking for validation fir the narrative that’s anti- Russ. In that short clip Jamal said a mouthful, and if this was a more likable player, then everyone would sing a different tune. But it’s Russ, so his peers perspective doesn’t matter, you need to hear the coaches instead. Smh. I’d always trust active players opinions on active players, especially from their era.

once again what brodie is doing his ridiculous

not just for hoops as a sport but sports point blank

never been a athlete that's spent that amount of energy every run season after season

he's a mutant for sure for sure for sure ha

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all facts. Ballers respect certain players way more than the general public does

He’s speaking facts. White people weren’t fukking with basketball like that back in the day. They were moreso football fans, hockey fans and baseball fans. I can’t count on one hand how many times the white kids in high school got in on our basketball debates about Kobe, AI, TMac but they definitely couldnt stop talking about Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. It’s something you can’t quantify. You just had to be there to experience it.

jamal crawford talks so eloquently why isn't he on my tv calling games


And he speaks the truth, 50 years from now dudes will be looking at westbrook stats like

But coli gon coli and call him a cancer

cacs with all these stats that i don't give a damn about but his per says and his usg says and his warp and all that other pencil geek poindexter ish

It's funny cause Jamal was another one of those guys that NBA players had crazy respect for while the analytics community killed him.

westbrook only hated in this era of judging individuals in a team sport by titles. also im not accusing oscar robertson but nobody saw him play like that., i dont care if you saw a few old ass clips you didnt watch him like you watch russ now, i know you can see games where some of his rebounds or assists seem cheap but how the fukk you know oscar or whoever wasnt doing that too? plus we taking into account how many 5 foot white guys oscar was playing against while getting those triple doubles ? im sorry but the idea someone gets the most ever but its not real because of some personal beef these cac journalists got with russ cause he dont fit into their sterotype of what a good player should be is bullshyt

All facts!

Players feel different. Pat Beverly was on a podcast and said Westbrook is in his top 3 of hardest people to guard

Lebron has respect for him

Shows you why the hoops talk on here soo bad. Dudes didn’t start watching nba until 2010

big facts here.. never thought of it like that

I wonder if any of y'all opinions have now changed, that just maybe what the "stat geeks" were saying about him might be closer to being accurate than y'all were initially willing to admit.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

I don't even respect Jamal's opinion on the league.He's too much of a company guy.Never goes against the grain.Scared to criticize any players game in the slightest.Just kisses everybody's azz & gives cookie cutter answers.Mr.Nice guy

 

[duncanthetall]

I wonder if any of y'all opinions have now changed, that just maybe what the "stat geeks" were saying about him might be closer to being accurate than y'all were initially willing to admit.

That and a lot of basketball players look at the game a certain way that’s just not evolved with the times.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

That and a lot of basketball players look at the game a certain way that’s just not evolved with the times.

I think a lot of the problem is, as it's evident on this board: players blatantly go against what "stat nerds" say, because they don't feel as though "stat geeks" should have a megaphone when stating their opinions. Which is only natural; if you play a sport for a living, you're going to feel some type of way about someone else speaking about you and that sport, in general, from the confines of their couch. You're out there busting your ass against the best players in the world, and some unathletic cracka is talking about what you're doing wrong.

And then you have a flow-on from that where the NBA is a fraternity, where if one of their own is being criticized by a "stat geek", they'll feel the need to defend that player, and twist the narrative to where they'll be completely biased. Even if they truly don't believe what they're saying, or if they know what the "stat geek" is saying has some shred of truth, they won't acknowledge it. They'll just ride for their own. And that's fine, that's their right to, but nobody should be using that as evidence to suggest that Jamal's opinion holds greater value because of it.

 

[MJ Truth]

I wonder if any of y'all opinions have now changed, that just maybe what the "stat geeks" were saying about him might be closer to being accurate than y'all were initially willing to admit.

This is a dumb as fukk narrative that you’re pushing but your obsession is impressive. Nothing going on in the last two games has anything to do with the resume Westbrook has put out there for over a decade.

Then again you barely understand basketball outside of biases and some numbers you work together, there’s no way in hell you’ve actually ever PLAYED or understood real basketball.

 

[MJ Truth]

I think a lot of the problem is, as it's evident on this board: players blatantly go against what "stat nerds" say, because they don't feel as though "stat geeks" should have a megaphone when stating their opinions. Which is only natural; if you play a sport for a living, you're going to feel some type of way about someone else speaking about you and that sport, in general, from the confines of their couch. You're out there busting your ass against the best players in the world, and some unathletic cracka is talking about what you're doing wrong.

And then you have a flow-on from that where the NBA is a fraternity, where if one of their own is being criticized by a "stat geek", they'll feel the need to defend that player, and twist the narrative to where they'll be completely biased. Even if they truly don't believe what they're saying, or if they know what the "stat geek" is saying has some shred of truth, they won't acknowledge it. They'll just ride for their own. And that's fine, that's their right to, but nobody should be using that as evidence to suggest that Jamal's opinion holds greater value because of it.

I can’t tell if you’re just delusional, or if you’re just stupid?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This is a dumb as fukk narrative that you’re pushing but your obsession is impressive. Nothing going on in the last two games has anything to do with the resume Westbrook has put out there for over a decade.

Then again you barely understand basketball outside of biases and some numbers you work together, there’s no way in hell you’ve actually ever PLAYED or understood real basketball.

I can’t tell if you’re just delusional, or if you’re just stupid?

Am I gonna have to get a restraining order on you, little fella?

 

[Leavingtheecstasy]

I wonder if any of y'all opinions have now changed, that just maybe what the "stat geeks" were saying about him might be closer to being accurate than y'all were initially willing to admit.

Not really fukk white people, that's what you mean by stat geeks tbh.

Yall can c00n it up for them and bend the knee and disrespect black men but I'm not doing it for those cacs. Westbrook was great but may have fallen off faster than predicted. The fact that those cacs hated him and would lose their minds with bloodthirsty rage everytine he had a bad game showed me why I like westbrook. fukk them cacs. Never taking that MVP away

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Not really fukk white people, that's what you mean by stat geeks tbh.

Yall can c00n it up for them and bend the knee and disrespect black men but I'm not doing it for those cacs. Westbrook was great but may have fallen off faster than predicted. The fact that those cacs hated him and would lose their minds with bloodthirsty rage everytine he had a bad game showed me why I like westbrook. fukk them cacs. Never taking that MVP away

I don't even know what the fukk it is you be talking about here. Miss me with all that.

Lemme just ask you this: should Westbrook be criticized for his lack of efficiency and all the elements in his game that are a detriment to winning? Better yet, do you think it's fair in general if folks critique a player's game?