Jamal Crawford explains how Westbrook is viewed differently between players and "stat guys"

[wtfyomom]

we really doing this after 2 games? lmao

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

we really doing this after 2 games? lmao

You're telling me these two games are somehow an outlier to his normal play? What about his performance in the playoffs last season?

 

[Battle Beast]

Westbrook will never cheat you on effort. When he steps out on that court you know he's giving it his all every night, it's a breath of fresh air especially with these new generation of players that look like they take whole quarters off. Westbrook hustle is legendary tier, up there with guys like Rodman, Ben Wallace, Jason Kidd, etc.

 

[Greenhornet]

Westbrook will never cheat you on effort. When he steps out on that court you know he's giving it his all every night, it's a breath of fresh air especially with these new generation of players that look like they take whole quarters off. Westbrook hustle is legendary tier, up there with guys like Rodman, Ben Wallace, Jason Kidd, etc.

thats a big reason why he's been my favorite for a decade

I dont even care about the dumb shyt, I just rolled with the guy who would entertain me whether it was a win or a loss ... Westbrook is elite but the game changed around him a little. He used to shoot better, even midrange. That still doesnt change the fact that he's amazing and a headache to deal with on offense and defense

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Westbrook will never cheat you on effort. When he steps out on that court you know he's giving it his all every night, it's a breath of fresh air especially with these new generation of players that look like they take whole quarters off.

Westbrook is most definitely an effort player, but his effort isn't always exerted in the right ways. He'll make the effort to run in and grab an [uncontested] rebound, but he won't make the same effort to contest a shot. He'll exert his energy in actions that'll appear on the stat sheet, but won't for actions that don't.

He'll cheat you on effort, not through the lack of, but in the wrong areas.

And that's part of the issue here, that somehow, because he averaged a triple-double that his game is above reproach, all because it took all this energy to do that. What Jamal is basically saying is, because Westbrook shows effort for these arbitrary stats, that therefore means he can't be criticized. It's strange to me that basketball discourse has devolved into this state where people who're actually digging beneath the surface are frowned upon. It's as if there's this mindset that permeates throughout the public [basketball] forum that players can't and shouldn't be criticized, but at the same time, there's this bastion of the old guard [players from the past] who constantly criticize and ridicule the game today, talking about how many points they could average because the game is soft and easier, and how players today wouldn't be able to play in past eras.

And all that is mirrored on this board, and the large majority of them are none the wiser at how ignorant they sound.

 

[Stone]

You’d be hard pressed to find any player(especially an active one) that would criticize another’s game. Especially publicly.

 

[LexDiamonds]

Westbrook will never cheat you on effort. When he steps out on that court you know he's giving it his all every night, it's a breath of fresh air especially with these new generation of players that look like they take whole quarters off. Westbrook hustle is legendary tier, up there with guys like Rodman, Ben Wallace, Jason Kidd, etc.

He gives poor effort on the defensive end. Doesn’t run back in transition, ball watches, and leaves his man early to chase rebounds.

 

[010101]

I wonder if any of y'all opinions have now changed, that just maybe what the "stat geeks" were saying about him might be closer to being accurate than y'all were initially willing to admit.

nothing surprising about brodie on his way down

he was eating off otherworldly effort & athleticism

as those attributes wane it makes sense he'd struggle

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[Pimp]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Y5BcvJo6n10?feature=share

Shows how stupid Russell is for not focusing on his strengths. I don't know why he shoots 3 pointers. When he shoots a 3 it's basically a turnover.

 

[Peruvian Connect]

Westbrook is most definitely an effort player, but his effort isn't always exerted in the right ways. He'll make the effort to run in and grab an [uncontested] rebound, but he won't make the same effort to contest a shot. He'll exert his energy in actions that'll appear on the stat sheet, but won't for actions that don't.

He'll cheat you on effort, not through the lack of, but in the wrong areas.

And that's part of the issue here, that somehow, because he averaged a triple-double that his game is above reproach, all because it took all this energy to do that. What Jamal is basically saying is, because Westbrook shows effort for these arbitrary stats, that therefore means he can't be criticized. It's strange to me that basketball discourse has devolved into this state where people who're actually digging beneath the surface are frowned upon. It's as if there's this mindset that permeates throughout the public [basketball] forum that players can't and shouldn't be criticized, but at the same time, there's this bastion of the old guard [players from the past] who constantly criticize and ridicule the game today, talking about how many points they could average because the game is soft and easier, and how players today wouldn't be able to play in past eras.

And all that is mirrored on this board, and the large majority of them are none the wiser at how ignorant they sound.

You a LeBron fan ?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You a LeBron fan ?

No.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Another W for the "stat guys".



Bu-bu-but all that energy it takes to get a triple-double.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

we really doing this after 2 games? lmao

When are we gonna do this? When y'all nxggas gonna be ready to face facts?

This is a dumb as fukk narrative that you’re pushing but your obsession is impressive. Nothing going on in the last two games has anything to do with the resume Westbrook has put out there for over a decade.

Then again you barely understand basketball outside of biases and some numbers you work together, there’s no way in hell you’ve actually ever PLAYED or understood real basketball.

The fact you think his "resume" is somehow not indicative of the last handful of games is bewildering. But then again, you look at the game through the lens of box score stats, and think that just because he puts up these volume surface numbers that they're actually reflective of winning play, and not to the contrary.

Which is the true irony here, when there's no way in hell you've ever actually played the game at a competitive level if you were being fooled by the arbitrary nature of x-amount of points, x-amount of assists, x-amount of rebounds and mean-mugging throughout a game.

 

[HandyWithTheSteel]

Analytics nerds taking no losses.

 

[BigTyme Records]

His game so Fukkin Bi polar.