Jamal Crawford explains how Westbrook is viewed differently between players and "stat guys"

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  1. Groovy Tony

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    What he said reminded me of this other tweet I saw a while ago



    Nerds on twitter were saying Ant had empty stats and was overrated on that day after the game

    You can tell who genuinely loves basketball while understanding it at it's core and who simply sees it simply as an avenue for analytics and smart-dumb debates

    Skip Bayless gave these geeks the freedom to infiltrate the culture and discourse of basketball with zero to shallow levels of understanding

    Never forget
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    So stat guys ruined the game, but then y’all praise Westbrook’s statlines?

    So which one is it? :skip:
     
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    Except you didn't really answer my question. You bobbed and weaved because you know if you answered it properly, you'd only be proving my point.

    Objective of the game = win = scoring more points than the opposition = points = numbers = stats.

    A true fan of the game would at the very least acknowledge the game is about winning, would they not? Which would, therefore, mean they care about numbers/stats would they not? Why are stats outside of the traditional box score classified as nerd stats, and stats inside it are not? A number is a number; a metric is a metric. Either all numbers are nerd stats, or none are.

    I feel like I've reiterated this about 1000x now, but box score stats are completely misleading and an archaic way of measuring impact. Nxggas is just lazy and want to drown themselves in ignorance for why they can't see this.
     
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    And barbershop take ass nxggas were saying he was going to be a bust.

    Funny how random generalizations about a group to fuel one's agenda works, ain't it?

    :lolbron:
     
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    Of course, they do. The NBA is a fraternity. Rarely ever do you see players coming out and criticizing each other. That's how you quickly alienate yourself from your peers. "Stat guys" and basketball fans, in general, are meant to criticize the players/teams. It's the nature of the sport, for a fan. And on some level, fans respect all players who make it into the league. Just because players like Westbrook are criticized doesn't mean that fans still don't appreciate his play, the feats he's accomplished and/or the level he's played at during his career.
     
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    What the fukk is you even talking about?

    Y'all clown ass nxggas love making these straw man arguments. The league is entirely 3-pt orientated now (the very thing y'all muh'fukkas blamed on the nerds), so if the nerds are wrong, then who's right? And when has the game ever not been about not scoring the most points?
     
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    With the game being so three point oriented. I wonder how much value is placed on attacking certain players in the paint and causing them to be in foul trouble. How much it tires out opposing teams on defense and causes them to collapse
     
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    Well, that would certainly explain a lot about your views.

    And that's fine, nobody can tell you otherwise what you want to take out of the game. But it seems you let that cloud your judgement around what is analytics and how they're implemented, which is putting teams/players in the best possible position of winning, which is ultimately the aim of the game. Analytics aren't there to exist for your entertainment.

    And your point about post-ups being a blind spot of analytics is wrong. Analytics is all about finding the most efficient way of putting the ball in the hoop. If you have a player like Jokic who can run the offense from the post, efficiently and fluidly, analytics will tell you so. Y'all nxggas treat analytics as some damn boogeyman that is responsible for all that's wrong in the game.
     
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    And on another point:

    Westbrook doesn't really break the mold does he, if his style of play doesn't lead to success as the main guy? You're essentially making a pro-analytics argument without even knowing it. Your stance would make a lot more sense if analytics/nerd stats actually set out to entertain folks.

    It's all about winning; not trying to entertain.
     
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    It’s so much hypocrisy going on in this thread and dudes don’t even realize it :francis:

    They downplay and complain about stats and analytics, but have no problem using same said stats to fit a narrative or topic discussion :mjlol:

    They also use same said stats in arguing of why one player is better than another :mjlol:

    Even NBA players are hypocritical when it comes to stats as they point to those same stats as to why they should make All Star or All NBA team over someone else. It’s disingenuous as hell. They have no problem or talking about or mentioning those stats when it works in their favor.
     
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    That’s exactly what it is. They’d rather complain about the concepts than actually try to understand mathematical concepts. The same people bytching about them are the same ones who complain about why are those type of courses needed in high school and college.

    It’s no wonder our country and schools are lagging behind compared to others :francis:
     
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    Actually Breh, the concept of basketball... "a game where you put a ball through a circular hoop" was created by the Mayan/Aztecs.

    It was James Naismith who took this concept and created the rules for it which we know today as Basketball
     
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    :unimpressed::hubie:
     
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    Hit dogs holler
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    Are “stat guys” the ones talking about how amazing Westbrook’s triple double numbers are? Are those not stats?

    Are NBA front offices of championship teams stat guys? No one wants Russy.
     
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