Jay Z fell off more than Eminem

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They're both garbage now but when it's all said and done Eminem will be #1:yeshrug:

Everyone fukked with Eminem back in the day :russ:

I can't say that now tho :russ:


I said this before but I never knew Jay was so popular , I only knew him from the Rush Hour soundtrack at that time


Eminem came to a black dominant genre and took over :yeshrug:
eminems problem is he's too popular and is basically the superman of rap
 

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And if you would ask if they fell off or if Jay fell off worse, your answer would be that Jay hasn't fell off worse because they weren't ever on.




*sniffs* something.....something don't smell right. Real nikkas know what it is. There are certain topics and things that hit a vein or strike a nerve. People say it all the time, Jay crafted theme songs and soundtracks to what real nikkas were living. You didn't and don't have to be a hustler or a drug dealer or drive a maybach for some of his lyrics to strike that chord within you. Em is different. He reps Detroit but the way he reps Detroit again is like he just lives there and grew up there. Jay is Marcy, Marcy is in Jay.

Em is like the Darius Rucker of Hip hop, he's good, he's talented, he's respected but he isn't allowed in the backrooms. Because he lacks authenticity he can't be compared with someone who is real. Someone who is rooted in realness and has it in their veins. Now if you want to compare him to Drake, go ahead that is more fitting.

Jay has lines, lyrics and songs that just resonate with nikkas. Em has some general crossover points. Anyone can rap about being poor or hungry, wet, cold. But that shyt that seeps into your soul which is what music should do he doesn't have. Maybe its a black and white thing, I hate to say it but maybe it is what it is. Think of Jay's line

"They like the drunk uncle in your family
You know they lame, you feel ashamed
But you love 'em the same"

I think white, black, mexican, chinese- we all may have drunk uncles, but within context I don't think we're talking about the same uncle---does that make sense? You hear that line and look at your nikkas like "You know what it is" If you were to hear that line with a mexican and a white dude I dont think you could look at them as a black dude and you guys all nod like "yep...yup.....you know what he's talking about"


I get what you saying breh, Jay makes the kinda shyt where you can listen and be like damn i need to get my bread up he sounds like he has fun rapping and the shyt can be motivating, or deep or you just sit back and digest it, whereas Em is like fast food, in one ear and out the other, too much filler for my taste. He's a parody of himself even tho he can rap his ass off. His hooks are trash, his voice is terrible, amd he has no hunger in his rhymes anymore, not saying Jay is hungry but at least it's not cringeworthy but the shyt that Em puts out now sounds like a parody of his old self and i don't think he can change that, at least not until he allows someone else to work on his albums. He started going downhill in a hurry when he decided to make his own beats.
 

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They're both garbage now but when it's all said and done Eminem will be #1:yeshrug:

Everyone fukked with Eminem back in the day :russ:

I can't say that now tho :russ:


I said this before but I never knew Jay was so popular , I only knew him from the Rush Hour soundtrack at that time


Eminem came to a black dominant genre and took over :yeshrug:
eminems problem is he's too popular and is basically the superman of rap

Jay's been a star goin on close to 20 years, he took off with hard knock life. Em is dope but let's be real, he was popular mainly because he was the white dude that can rap and made shock music, if that wasn't the case Royce the 5'9 would have blown up too(who i felt was just as good imo).
 

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Jay has always had a shiny suit element in his music; technically he's never deviated from his sensibilities. Sonically, there's a direct line running from "can I live" jay, through "always be my sunshine" jay, to "guilty before proven innocent" jay, "change clothes", "hollywood feat. Beyoncé" jay "thank you" jay, and arriving at "on the run". He only shed the majority of the grit in his music lyrically, but that's because he shed the majority of the grit in his real life. Which didn't go over with core hip-hop audiences, and understandably so. But I wouldn't call it a fall off, more of a metamorphosis. Some nikkas are of the hood, and some are just in the hood, and historically speaking it's always the latter group that makes it out, and manages to stay out.
 

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The funny thing is, Em was never on. He didn't get play in the hood, didn't get play in the clubs, aint never had a crew, didn't get mixtapes poppin, never had hot 97 or power 105 going crazy...fukka Em. Dude aint a part of real hip hop like that I dont care how many people respect him. He's a fraud, a transplant. Between him and Jay its Jay all day. Everybody from the hood got problems, aint nobody tryin to hear goofy raps and raps about killing your mom and the same old song about a bytch. He can't put it on wax like Jay (and many others).

:shaq2: I smell bs.
 

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That's a general statement. If he rapped about being in an elevator people would be like "ive been in an elevator before."

I disagree with that. The line in question wasn't general because of the emotion behind it. Even with all of the wild scenarios going on in that song, it's all coming from a place of desperation and honesty that can be felt because that's what his mindset really was at the time. Now I've argued against this but people like to paint Jigga as some sort of shallow ass rapper even with gems like "You must love me" sitting in his catalog. But even with joints like those it's more of an A for effort type of deal. A song like Meet the parents got ridiculed because it wasn't convincing regardless of how much detail he could give you with literary devices. Same thing with a joint like Minority Report.

Aside from his skin tone and Dre's co-sign, Em's ability to convey emotion is probably the biggest reason for his success.

its not some deep shyt like ya'll dont know about this, its a very general feeling though..jays got that shyt that resonates with real nikkas.

See that's where you fukked up at IMO.

He wasn't supposed to "resonate with real nikkas" he was supposed to bring you into his world and experiences, which he did. Judging him by how much of your life he reflected back to you is missing the point. This is Hip Hop so of course there has to be some common ground but once he decided to actually put himself into his music (instead of just being good a rap, ie, Infinite) it wasn't about fitting in. Had he bypassed showing you Hip Hop through the eyes of the "crazy white boy" archetype he would have been random Rawkus rapper #5.
 
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I'm a huge fan of both, if we talking about rhymes, both of them right now are still more impressive than most rappers to me.

This shyt is funny too me, tales told by stans are often the biggest tales that are of mythical in their dynamic. I can never understand a nikka that grew up in rap were no biting was the law and the nikka bit off more than he can chew is considered lyrical. shyts baffling too me as well as funny because fans of hip hop and reporters of hip hop stay mum to the realness of this fact.

That nikka is a succubus.
 

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This shyt is funny too me, tales told by stans are often the biggest tales that are of mythical in their dynamic. I can never understand a nikka that grew up in rap were no biting was the law and the nikka bit off more than he can chew is considered lyrical. shyts baffling too me as well as funny because fans of hip hop and reporters of hip hop stay mum to the realness of this fact.

That nikka is a succubus.

:lupe:

Calling Jay a biter is one thing. Saying that he's not lyrical is nonsense.
 
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