Jeff Van Gundy thinks Draymond Green will get a max deal

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It's not so much pinning the max on a guy like him. It's the belief that you can't do better on the market than Draymond (and in some cases, it's absolutely true). If you don't spend, your plan B better be awesome. Teams that would sign him probably know he's not a max player, but it's better than coming back empty handed.

That's all well and good but Draymond is not max player or close to it and anybody other than his agent suggesting that he is warrants a :comeon: :stopitslime: :sitdown:. :rudy: at better than coming back empty handed. How many teams have actually benefited from drastically overpaying a guy just to avoid coming back empty handed? I've watched the Pistons do it twice in 5 years and end up losing a lottery pick and have to straight up pay a guy to leave. The Warriors would be far better off for not overpaying than Draymond or any team that signs him to a max or anywhere near it would be. Overspending on players that aren't worth it should not be plan anything unless a guy is guaranteed box office which Mr. Green certainly is not.
 

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That's all well and good but Draymond is not max player or close to it and anybody other than his agent suggesting that he is warrants a :comeon: :stopitslime: :sitdown:. :rudy: at better than coming back empty handed. How many teams have actually benefited from drastically overpaying a guy just to avoid coming back empty handed? I've watched the Pistons do it twice in 5 years and end up losing a lottery pick and have to straight up pay a guy to leave. The Warriors would be far better off for not overpaying than Draymond or any team that signs him to a max or anywhere near it would be. Overspending on players that aren't worth it should not be plan anything unless a guy is guaranteed box office which Mr. Green certainly is not.

The Warriors are filled with those guys.

Paying the wrong people can burn you, but doing nothing can burn you too. The Pistons whiffed on their deals. With that said, would you simply tell a team that has trouble signing free agents to no longer consider it an option?

And you're still not getting that this is supply and demand. You can count the guys being paid what they're worth on one hand. Nobody is saying Green DESERVES max money, but the only way around that is to draft your own Draymond Green, and some teams are simply better at it than others, so in Golden State's case, maybe they could let him go no problem, because they've shown they could replace Green the same way they got him.
 

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The Warriors are filled with those guys.

Paying the wrong people can burn you, but doing nothing can burn you too. The Pistons whiffed on their deals. With that said, would you simply tell a team that has trouble signing free agents to no longer consider it an option?

And you're still not getting that this is supply and demand. You can count the guys being paid what they're worth on one hand. Nobody is saying Green DESERVES max money, but the only way around that is to draft your own Draymond Green, and some teams are simply better at it than others, so in Golden State's case, maybe they could let him go no problem, because they've shown they could replace Green the same way they got him.

Frankly I would rather be Philly, waaaaaaay under the cap and collecting lottery picks, than overpaying guys and getting stuck in super treadmill (not totally sucky but not good enough to make the playoffs) and stuck with limited flexibility.

I totally get supply and demand. I also get that it's pretty comical to espouse supply and demand in a system that caps what guys can make.
 

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you guys keep ignoring the upcoming inflation of the salary cap for Max Deals. a 15 mil for 5 years won't be nearly as bad (or even as uncommon) by the time that contract is up. by 2020 (the year that contract ends) the same max for players with 7 years based on projections for a 105 million cap would be $26 million. Hell if this was just the 2016 FA the 7 years of experience max would be worth around 22 million starting. Meaning Draymond would be in line for about 15 million anyway, based on if he was say really only worth 10 mil in the 2015 market.

This year any team with cap room (and a non cheap owner) should't worry about spending as much. Yeah if they can get a player for cheap that would be great, but with the upcoming increase in the salary cap a player is a lot more likely to earn more than the value of his contract (especially if he is young). A lot of players this year are going to be paid way more than they deserve because GM's know they will get their money's worth in the long run. So I think its almost a give in a team will offer Draymond the Max to see if the warriors owners would pay the $30 mil (a max contract + luxury tax) to keep him.

if he flames out at 15 of course it stings but when the cap in in the 90-100 mill range a 15 mil salary becomes a lot easier to move as well.
 
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you guys keep ignoring the upcoming inflation of the salary cap for Max Deals. a 15 mil for 5 years won't be nearly as bad (or even as uncommon) by the time that contract is up. by 2020 (the year that contract ends) the same max for players with 7 years based on projections for a 105 million cap would be $26 million. Hell if this was just the 2016 FA the 7 year max would be worth around 22 million. Meaning Draymond would be in line for about 15 million anyway, based on if he was say really only worth 10 mil in the 2015 market.

This year any team with cap room (and a non cheap owner) should't worry about spending as much. Yeah if they can get a player for cheap that would be great, but with the upcoming increase in the salary cap a player is a lot more likely to earn more than the value of his contract (especially if he is young). A lot of players this year are going to be paid way more than they deserve because GM's know they will get their money's worth in the long run. So I think its almost a give in a team will offer Draymond the Max to see if the warriors owners would pay the $30 mil (a max contract + luxury tax) to keep him.

if he flames out at 15 of course it stings but when the cap in in the 90-100 mill range a 15 mil salary becomes a lot easier to move as well.
I keep trying to explain to nikkas that its a reason that most payers are "overpaid".

nikkas that are worth 10 mil today will be worth double that in a few years.
 

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I wouldn't give him the max. The fact that he's Steph's best friend on the team will make it hard for Myers to not match any offer he gets though. A fair price would be 3 years for 24 million with a player option for an additional year for 8 mill. With the new cap coming in I think that's fair.
 

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You don't pay non all stars premier contracts. Especially if he's not a big. Especially you aren't the warriors where you know how he'll fit.
 
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