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Darante Lamar. Great YouTuber. Now I’m one to feel this entire thing was a Hebrew solar myth not different than the other myths around that time.
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Jesus is the closest thing to fulfillment of prophecies, if its not him the jew never get a messiah. The time has passed.
another way to interpret everything you wrote is right here
fundamentally the hidden knowledge lost from Genesis is the purpose of Egypt. They domesticated and cultivated food through speech...cause in their perspective Nun (the bottom of reality) nothing really was real so their speech made everything
this is why i still maintain to @Koichos the secret to the longevity of the jews is mobile temples,
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They can zero in on solomons crystals and gold and shyt but they can never catch Aaron's breast plate
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That whole idea that Egypt held “lost Genesis knowledge” or cultivated food through speech is Egyptian heka aka speech-magic. They believed uttering ritual words could manipulate creation. Genesis doesn’t teach that. Genesis teaches God alone speaks reality into being by His will, NONE of us can EVER do that brother.
Nun wasn’t “bottom of reality” in any way compatible with the Bible. Nun in Egyptian myth is a chaotic primordial ocean, thats the dang opposite of God’s ordered creation in Genesis.
The Bible opens with: “The Spirit of God was hovering over the waters” ; meaning God rules over the chaos, He doesn’t come from it. So no, this isn’t the same thing rebranded.
As for the “mobile temple” being the secret to Jewish longevity, you missed on that. The mobile tabernacle wasn’t a survival mechanismit was a covenant command from God to put His people in holiness. The tabernacle pointed to Jesus (John 1:14), and now WE ARE THE TEMPLE (1 Cor 6:19). The Jews weren’t preserved because of mobile drop-off technology; they were preserved because God made a covenant with Abraham and keeps His word.
Aaron’s breastplate wasn’t a mystical artifact it was a symbol....12 stones, 12 tribes, worn on the High Priest as he entered God’s presence (Exodus 28). The only “uncatchable” thing here is the consistency of God's design, from Torah to Christ. Age of Mythology or Wikipedia doesn’t change any of that. None of this Egypt/speech magic stuff explains biblical prophecy, priesthood, or preservation. The truth is simple...
Solar myths are built on cycles: death, rebirth, seasons, sun rising and setting. That’s Egypt, Babylon, Mithras, Horus, Osiris, all that. It’s symbolism tied to nature. Nothing wrong with understanding that system, but the Bible doesn’t follow that model at all.
Genesis doesn’t say the world is born and reborn over and over. It says it had a beginning. The prophets don’t describe recurring cosmic events they give specific predictions that actually happened in real time. Jesus didn’t “rise like the sun” He was executed by Rome, under Pontius Pilate, with people present who later died defending the claim that He came back. A real historical event with real witnesses that wrote it down OUTSIDE of Bible who WERE NOT Christians.
Did a solar myth ever predict the destruction of a temple 40 years in advance, tied it to specific signs, and then watch it happen exactly like that...?
the bible opens with "In the beginning, Elohim created the heaven and the earth" as a contextual statement it is not The LORD God as shown on Genesis 2. Implying a purposeful separation of the two accounts.
That whole idea that Egypt held “lost Genesis knowledge” or cultivated food through speech is Egyptian heka aka speech-magic. They believed uttering ritual words could manipulate creation. Genesis doesn’t teach that. Genesis teaches God alone speaks reality into being by His will, NONE of us can EVER do that brother.
Nun wasn’t “bottom of reality” in any way compatible with the Bible. Nun in Egyptian myth is a chaotic primordial ocean, thats the dang opposite of God’s ordered creation in Genesis.
The Bible opens with: “The Spirit of God was hovering over the waters” ; meaning God rules over the chaos, He doesn’t come from it. So no, this isn’t the same thing rebranded.
As for the “mobile temple” being the secret to Jewish longevity, you missed on that. The mobile tabernacle wasn’t a survival mechanismit was a covenant command from God to put His people in holiness. The tabernacle pointed to Jesus (John 1:14), and now WE ARE THE TEMPLE (1 Cor 6:19). The Jews weren’t preserved because of mobile drop-off technology; they were preserved because God made a covenant with Abraham and keeps His word.
Aaron’s breastplate wasn’t a mystical artifact it was a symbol....12 stones, 12 tribes, worn on the High Priest as he entered God’s presence (Exodus 28). The only “uncatchable” thing here is the consistency of God's design, from Torah to Christ. Age of Mythology or Wikipedia doesn’t change any of that. None of this Egypt/speech magic stuff explains biblical prophecy, priesthood, or preservation. The truth is simple...
after that it says "formlessness was on the the face of the deep, and the breath of God was hovering over the face of the waters". It is translated as spirit in English but that confuses people into thinking of god as a spectre, apparition or ghost which is not what he is.
so when you say Nun is opposite, that cannot be more wrong. Nun or Ptah-Nun was a primordial deity in Egypt not a description...
now I never said that Egypt or its ideas rule over God, quite the opposite. But rather the knowledge of God as we know it came out of Egypt due to its language and them hosting the first Jews BEFORE the Torah was handed down at Sinai (remember the Pharaoh that knows Joseph nullifies the context for Exodus). When Moses parted the "Red Sea" it isnt just the Red Sea geographically its the "Reed Sea" that is also a reference to all the stories and traditions that dominated the Bronze age that ruled over the pre-Torah israelites. See here:
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the greek understanding of the temple is not the same as the understanding handed down to Moses. I will not argue with you because if you are coming from the christian viewpoint you simply will not understand why Moses commanded the people what he did. The captivity of Egypt is not limited to Egyptians but also Pharaohs mercenaries (which includes Greeks)
If the truth was simple there would be no Christ or extra testimonies to Moses. The truth is that the congregation is still in the wilderness of Sin and we are in God's matrix that he formed before you were formed
regarding the breast plate, I don't agree with you simply because you are just looking at it on a surface level which is something all christians do when interpreting Moses. Moses would be "like God" to Pharaoh and Aaron would be a prophet OF MOSES. Therefore it is not something easily understood why God had them design his garments in a delicate and deliberate manner for him and the high priests AFTER him to consult with THAT God.
Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 28 - King James Version
And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons. And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for...
EDIT - also its interesting you mention "Heka"
....I asked this to @Koichos I will ask this to you as a riddle
what is the more powerful name combination
The LORD God (The Name Elohim)
The LORD Your God (The Name Eloheka)
or The Word of the LORD? (Dabar The Name)
based on Egyptian, the translation "The Lord Your God" would mean "The Lord's Magic"
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it is of my understanding that the "temple" both the first and second are Canaannite temples rebranded as temples to "The LORD"
they were destroyed because ultimately they were made to glorify themselves
its shown in Judges that before the Israelites went into the Canaan the Jebusites were in control of Jerusalem and its my prediction that "static" temples as you know it were their tradition
ideas like "golems" are what caused that temple to be targeted and also why it is now under Muslim control. The Egyptians indicated that the people of Canaan were "entangled in the land" and were like the clay to them. This is very strange to someone in our timeline to consider (you have to consider the mediums on which language has been recorded to begin to understand what I see there. Clay tablets/stone etchings > Papyrus > modern paper > electric devices)
that said there is plenty of "theoastrology" in the bible especially amongst prophets. Can you lead the Bear and her Cubs? a reference to the big and little dippers
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“Christians were called heliognostics/sunknowners” is just bad etymology...
You’ll will find zero credible historical sources from early Christian writings calling themselves that. The early church fathers were violently against mixing Christianity with sun worship, Gnosticism, or pagan cosmology. That’s why they went to war with groups like the Valentinians and Mithra cults.
So that sounds good on the surface, but it falls apart under actual scriptural and historical scrutiny. Even Bert Erhman wouldn't even try to use that against Christianity LOL...
There’s a huge difference between observing the stars and worshiping them or building your religion around them. Genesis 1 says God made the “lights in the sky” for signs and seasons -functional use, not Gods. The Bible acknowledges the stars exist for marking time but it forbids using them to guide your beliefs or future (Deut 4:19, Isaiah 47:13-14). So it’s actually anti-astrology at its core.
Ancient people looked to the stars but the Hebrews were set apart because they were told not to treat the stars as gods. That’s why Abraham was called out of Babylonian star culture (He wasn't raised with his pagan worshipping Dad, can't remember name off head). That’s why God judgements lined up with there gods (blotting out of sun = Ra the Sun God etc - showing their gods were powerless.) That’s why Revelation mocks Babylon for her “sorceries.”
Brother, just because stars exist in the background of the Bible doesn’t mean the message is built on them. God made the stars but He’s def not one of them.
I get what you’re exploring and honestly some of the points are interesting especially how mediums (clay, papyrus, etc.) evolved alongside spiritual ideas. That’s worth digging into. And yes, the Bible absolutely references stars (Job, Psalms, Revelation), but that doesn’t make it astrotheology. Like, God uses creation to flex His power not to point us toward zodiac decoding...big difference.
As for the temple being a Canaanite rebrand, that does not hold up. The tabernacle design was given directly to Moses (Exodus 25+), and the temple to Solomon through David. Even if the location had earlier pagan use, the blueprint was different and purpose was holy.
The golem stuff is more Kabbalah than Torah, and the temple falling wasn’t because of mystical constructs. It was because of disobedience, idolatry, and missing the time of visitation. Jesus literally weeps over it in Luke 19.
Respect the way you’re thinking about layers, though, just think we hit a wall when we try to treat biblical events like mythic remixes
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And yet they did it anyway. There is a bunch of paganism celebrated in Christianity. I also didn’t say anything about worshipping the stars. They did indeed observe them and used them as myths, among other things. Which was passed from different cultures throughout the world. To many similar, not same, stories for there to be a coincidence and the Bible wasn’t the first to tell any of them and every last story comes down to one thing, the sky.
It’s funny. The book somehow tells you it’s against astrology when it is filled with astrology. We all know that there has been mistranslations and misinterpretations in the Bible throughout the centuries such as Matthew 24:3 talking about the end of the world when it should be the end of the age. Two different things. There are plenty more. What do you grasp of Gen 1:14? Why are the Christmas stories all straight astrological? Why did Jesus say there will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars? Hell does Jesus even condemn astrology? Didn’t Jesus call himself the morning star. That would be the planet Venus which was also mentioned in the OT. A golden calf, rams, then ends with fishes, and then finishes it with a water bearer. All of them are zodiacs which is what Job 38:31-33 mentioned with the Mazzaroth.
Hebrews weren’t set apart. They were another group eager to form a distinct identity for themselves during that time making myths in a similar way as other cultures. This is the only one where we literally believe it happened.
It’s funny. The book somehow tells you it’s against astrology when it is filled with astrology. We all know that there has been mistranslations and misinterpretations in the Bible throughout the centuries such as Matthew 24:3 talking about the end of the world when it should be the end of the age. Two different things. There are plenty more. What do you grasp of Gen 1:14? Why are the Christmas stories all straight astrological? Why did Jesus say there will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars? Hell does Jesus even condemn astrology? Didn’t Jesus call himself the morning star. That would be the planet Venus which was also mentioned in the OT. A golden calf, rams, then ends with fishes, and then finishes it with a water bearer. All of them are zodiacs which is what Job 38:31-33 mentioned with the Mazzaroth.
Hebrews weren’t set apart. They were another group eager to form a distinct identity for themselves during that time making myths in a similar way as other cultures. This is the only one where we literally believe it happened.
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G, what are you even talking about??
Y'all, there’s a difference between quoting verses you read on Google and actually understanding what they mean in context. Watch this:
Observing the stars/astrology: My man, the Bible is very clear, ain't no mincing words. God made the lights for signs and seasons. BIBLE says you better not worship them, follow them, or build your religion around them (Deut 4:19, Jer 10:2, Isa 47:13 look it up before you reply). The same Bible that names constellations also condems astrologers for thinking they can predict the will of God.
Matthew 24:3? “End of the age” isn’t some gotcha discovery. The Greek says aiōnos which literally means age, not planet. The “age” ends with the world being judged.
Jesus saying “there will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars” isn’t Him co-signing astrology it’s Him judging the end, LOL not literally signs in the stars by looking at them.
“Jesus called himself the morning star”? Cool. So does Rev 22:16 and that’s a title of victory, not Venus worship. The same term is used to mock Satan in Isaiah 14 ( “Lucifer” = morning star aka Lucis Trust *threw a easter egg in there for yall). So again, wordplay over astrology.
A golden calf isn’t Taurus. The fish isn’t Pisces. The water bearer isn’t Aquarius. You are bent on adding astrology into a book that explicitly tells you not to do that. I hear something new every day but this is like...wild lol...There’s zero textual evidence any non-biblical scholar would attribute to the text. You don't even have to be a believer to get it.
The Hebrew story is about leaving polytheism behind, getting torched by God every time they slipped back, and being told over and over “I am the LORD, and there is no other.” You can say you don’t believe it but saying it’s not different from other myths is just lazy.
G, what are you even talking about??Y'all, there’s a difference between quoting verses you read on Google and actually understanding what they mean in context. Watch this:
Observing the stars/astrology: My man, the Bible is very clear, ain't no mincing words. God made the lights for signs and seasons. BIBLE says you better not worship them, follow them, or build your religion around them (Deut 4:19, Jer 10:2, Isa 47:13 look it up before you reply). The same Bible that names constellations also condems astrologers for thinking they can predict the will of God.
Matthew 24:3? “End of the age” isn’t some gotcha discovery. The Greek says aiōnos which literally means age, not planet. The “age” ends with the world being judged.
Jesus saying “there will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars” isn’t Him co-signing astrology it’s Him judging the end, LOL not literally signs in the stars by looking at them.
“Jesus called himself the morning star”? Cool. So does Rev 22:16 and that’s a title of victory, not Venus worship. The same term is used to mock Satan in Isaiah 14 ( “Lucifer” = morning star aka Lucis Trust *threw a easter egg in there for yall). So again, wordplay over astrology.
A golden calf isn’t Taurus. The fish isn’t Pisces. The water bearer isn’t Aquarius. You are bent on adding astrology into a book that explicitly tells you not to do that. I hear something new every day but this is like...wild lol...There’s zero textual evidence any non-biblical scholar would attribute to the text. You don't even have to be a believer to get it.
The Hebrew story is about leaving polytheism behind, getting torched by God every time they slipped back, and being told over and over “I am the LORD, and there is no other.” You can say you don’t believe it but saying it’s not different from other myths is just lazy.
do you not see where these three are one in the same?
remember, Jesus one and only mistake was overturning the "money exchangers" in the temple
Cleansing of the Temple - Wikipedia
and he proved why he is confused by Jesus Barabbas (Jesus son of the rabbi)
this is also why Jews consider Christianity a form of idolatry despite its appearance. Remember also, when it was told that Herod was searching for the infant Jesus, Joseph was told in a dream to flee to Egypt and to not return until all that sought the young childs life were dead.
another way of putting this is, why is it that when you put your seed into a woman exactly one seed (or maybe two in the case of twins) produces a fertilized egg. Remember you are saying that a person is the "temple" which means your whole being (and female's as well) should be reflected in the gospels if that is a true claim
regarding the tabernacle, it is my understanding that Moses sent spies to Canaan (which can represent the language) to retrieve samples of local produce and to determine the usefulness of the land. To me this represents the texts OUTSIDE of the five books of Moses. Historically there was a Kingdom of Judah AND Israel and that despite what the text says historically they were not united.
basically saying the Torah is unchangeable but the land that God has given to the Israelites is outside of the "land" in the Torah which represents the Journey away from Egypt and Persia...
to me this is why many Jews say despite reading it endlessly they will never fully understand it.
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this is all well and good but these passages puts this understanding to the test going back to Abraham@Spade
Y'all, there’s a difference between quoting verses you read on Google and actually understanding what they mean in context. Watch this:
Observing the stars/astrology: My man, the Bible is very clear, ain't no mincing words. God made the lights for signs and seasons. BIBLE says you better not worship them, follow them, or build your religion around them (Deut 4:19, Jer 10:2, Isa 47:13 look it up before you reply). The same Bible that names constellations also condems astrologers for thinking they can predict the will of God.
Matthew 24:3? “End of the age” isn’t some gotcha discovery. The Greek says aiōnos which literally means age, not planet. The “age” ends with the world being judged.
Jesus saying “there will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars” isn’t Him co-signing astrology it’s Him judging the end, LOL not literally signs in the stars by looking at them.
“Jesus called himself the morning star”? Cool. So does Rev 22:16 and that’s a title of victory, not Venus worship. The same term is used to mock Satan in Isaiah 14 ( “Lucifer” = morning star aka Lucis Trust *threw a easter egg in there for yall). So again, wordplay over astrology.
A golden calf isn’t Taurus. The fish isn’t Pisces. The water bearer isn’t Aquarius. You are bent on adding astrology into a book that explicitly tells you not to do that. I hear something new every day but this is like...wild lol...There’s zero textual evidence any non-biblical scholar would attribute to the text. You don't even have to be a believer to get it.
The Hebrew story is about leaving polytheism behind, getting torched by God every time they slipped back, and being told over and over “I am the LORD, and there is no other.” You can say you don’t believe it but saying it’s not different from other myths is just lazy.
Jeremiah 32:26-30
Daniel 2:1-5
remember all clay tablets had to be placed in kilns to be burned/cured before they were usable....this is why "captivity" is not just about literal captivity but spiritual as a function of the mediums of communication. So leaving clay for paper/papyrus means the world of wood changes the way the text is perceived. This is why I think the Jews currently use "goat skins" for torah scrolls basically saying if anything tries to make claims in that place they have to be like a burnt offering
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