Jesus proven not to be the messiah

[ReturnOfJudah]

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Luke refers to Joseph as the son of Heli (Luke 3:23 In the New Testament, Heli is listed as the father of Joseph, making him the paternal grandfather of Jesus. Heli is also mentioned in Luke's genealogy of Jesus, which traces the lineage through King David's son Nathan. This means Heli is part of the royal line of King David

• Matthew 1:1-17:
  This section of Matthew's Gospel traces Luke 3:23-38:
  A son created from the sperm of David was promised to sit on the throne. Mary ain't got no ball sack with sperm in it bro. David, his sons, and the sons after him are the ones with the sperm and ball sack. You know Joseph, which came from the lineage of David

Psalms 132:11

The LORD has sworn in truth to David; He will not turn from it: “I will set upon your throne the fruit of your body.​

Romans 1:3​

“Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;”

STRONGS NUMBER G4690​

sperma: that which is sown, seed
Original Word: σπέρμα
Transliteration: sperma aka sperm

seed, offspring
From speiro; something sown, i.e. Seed (including the male "sperm"); by implication, offspring; specially, a remnant (figuratively, as if kept over for planting) -- issue, seed.

By metonymy the product of this semen, seed, children, offspring, progeny; family, race, posterity

 

[The Realist Perspective]

In Luke

Yeah where? We’re quoting scriptures over here doggy.

 

[Koichos]

The argument is he’s related to David through Mary.

Her tribal affiliation is completely irrelevant because a Jew’s tribal status (and all that it conveys) follows that of his father, not that of his mother:

• Sh'mοt 6:14,25
• B'midbar 17:21, 34:14, 36:1
• Y'hοshu`a 14:1, 19:51, 21:1, 22:14
• `Ezra 1:5, 2:59,68, 3:12, 4:2-3, 8:1, 10:16
• N'ħemyah 7:61,69-70, 8:13, 12:12,22-23

and too many references in D.H. to list. Consider, also, the matter of פִּדְיוֹן הַבֵּן pidyοn habben (‘the firstborn’s redemption’, Sh'mοt 13:2,13; Vayyiḳra 27:6; B'midbar 18:16)—if the father is a kοhen or a levi or if the mother is a kοhen or a levi’s daughter, there is no pidyοn—showing that the mother has retained her status as a member of sheveṭ levi.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Her tribal affiliation is completely irrelevant because a Jew’s tribal status (and all that it conveys) follows that of his father, not that of his mother

That's why i gave them a thousand verses saying the seed aka the sperm of David

Another key is all the tribes are named after the sons of Israel

 

[cyndaquil]

there may very well be a God, but God would be way too far beyond our understanding or comprehension. hell, we probably would'nt even be able to see them. we barely see as it is... even colors.

The invisible colours of space

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i think if God exists, they aren't really concerned with us. morals are something we decided on as a species over 2 million years. thats why so many cultures share so many things, even ones that never met.

And the morals are consistent because they provided an evolutionary survival advantage. The human that hunted by himself died off. While the humans that worked together thrived and were able to take down big predators together.

OP you're not going to get a clear answer from Christians. They'll tell you Jesus was the Messiah while juelzing the reasons why he didn't fulfill the messianic requirements. The messianic requirements are black and white and Jesus didn't fulfill them. It's objectively clear but Christian mental gymnastics will never admit that

To be fair you have to perform mental gymnastics to believe any of this shyt when you go back and study history and I'm talking global history up until the formation, reinforcement, globalization of Abrahamic religions and other religions. I have no issues with religion when it's personal but these religious people are so proselytizing at times its insane. You picked your moral framework based around ideas formed by a nomadic people in the Middle East who cut the skin off their dikks...
In the past we have had ridiculous numbers of religions throughout the course of human history that had their shine and went extinct. We've even had new ones pop up recently, scientology, mormonism, etc.

They take from what is culturally relevant at the time in the popular religions at the time then flip it for the yearnings of a modern audience. Look at Islam. Christianity and Islam are not that old. Around 30 CE for Christianity and 600CE for Islam. Just offshoot if Judaism.

The ancient Egyptian pantheon had similar stories of life, death, and rebirth with Osiris. Humans as we know them today have been around for 300,000 years. There are bunch of dead humans who were just as pious in what they believed in back then to our modern religions of today. At the end of the day we just make up shyt that sounds good and run with it. Run with what works best for you. If people were more educated in general I think a lot of this nonsense we are seeing today regarding religion would cease but that's a topic for another time

 

[MMS]

Her tribal affiliation is completely irrelevant because a Jew’s tribal status (and all that it conveys) follows that of his father, not that of his mother:

• Sh'mοt 6:14,25
• B'midbar 17:21, 34:14, 36:1
• Y'hοshu`a 14:1, 19:51, 21:1, 22:14
• `Ezra 1:5, 2:59,68, 3:12, 4:2-3, 8:1, 10:16
• N'ħemyah 7:61,69-70, 8:13, 12:12,22-23

and too many references in D.H. to list. Consider, also, the matter of פִּדְיוֹן הַבֵּן pidyοn habben (‘the firstborn’s redemption’, Sh'mοt 13:2,13; Vayyiḳra 27:6; B'midbar 18:16)—if the father is a kοhen or a levi or if the mother is a kοhen or a levi’s daughter, there is no pidyοn—showing that the mother has retained her status as a member of sheveṭ levi.

It just occurred to me that I never noticed it says of "whatever opens the womb among the sons of Israel be it man or beast"

is there no distinction in the womb for man and beast? (technically interpreted as cattle in other places)

 

[Koichos]

It just occurred to me that I never noticed it says of "whatever opens the womb among the sons of Israel be it man or beast"

is there no distinction in the womb for man and beast? (technically interpreted as cattle in other places)

Only kasher firstborns, with the exception of the חֲמֹר hamor ‘donkey’ (Sh'mοt 13:13; compare B'midbar 18:15). The midrash ‘M'chilta’, Tractate Pisha (§18) goes into detail.

 

[JoelB]

No he's related to David through Joseph

• Matthew 1:1-17:
  This section of Matthew's Gospel traces Joseph's lineage back to Abraham, highlighting his connection to David and the royal line. It emphasizes Joseph's role in Jesus' legal claim to the throne of David.
• Luke 3:23-38:
  Luke's genealogy traces the lineage of Jesus, starting with Jesus as the "son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli". This genealogy is understood to be Mary's lineage, tracing back to Adam.

Her tribal affiliation is completely irrelevant because a Jew’s tribal status (and all that it conveys) follows that of his father, not that of his mother:

• Sh'mοt 6:14,25
• B'midbar 17:21, 34:14, 36:1
• Y'hοshu`a 14:1, 19:51, 21:1, 22:14
• `Ezra 1:5, 2:59,68, 3:12, 4:2-3, 8:1, 10:16
• N'ħemyah 7:61,69-70, 8:13, 12:12,22-23

and too many references in D.H. to list. Consider, also, the matter of פִּדְיוֹן הַבֵּן pidyοn habben (‘the firstborn’s redemption’, Sh'mοt 13:2,13; Vayyiḳra 27:6; B'midbar 18:16)—if the father is a kοhen or a levi or if the mother is a kοhen or a levi’s daughter, there is no pidyοn—showing that the mother has retained her status as a member of sheveṭ levi.

Bodybag lol

excellent 1-2 punch. Lets see if anyone engages with these posts tho

 

[Budda]

Her tribal affiliation is completely irrelevant because a Jew’s tribal status (and all that it conveys) follows that of his father, not that of his mother:

• Sh'mοt 6:14,25
• B'midbar 17:21, 34:14, 36:1
• Y'hοshu`a 14:1, 19:51, 21:1, 22:14
• `Ezra 1:5, 2:59,68, 3:12, 4:2-3, 8:1, 10:16
• N'ħemyah 7:61,69-70, 8:13, 12:12,22-23

and too many references in D.H. to list. Consider, also, the matter of פִּדְיוֹן הַבֵּן pidyοn habben (‘the firstborn’s redemption’, Sh'mοt 13:2,13; Vayyiḳra 27:6; B'midbar 18:16)—if the father is a kοhen or a levi or if the mother is a kοhen or a levi’s daughter, there is no pidyοn—showing that the mother has retained her status as a member of sheveṭ levi.

I always thought it www through the mother? Am I wrong? A child is a Jew if the mother is a Jew for example…

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

I always thought it www through the mother? Am I wrong? A child is a Jew if the mother is a Jew for example…

The last two post proved that's cap, and you still asked this question

 

[Budda]

Bodybag lol

excellent 1-2 punch. Lets see if anyone engages with these posts tho

In the post above it says this is said to be Mary’s lineage tracing back to Adam…

 

[Budda]

The last two post proved that's cap, and you still asked this question

So I assume Tribal affiliation and inheritance passed down through father, being a Jew is passed down through mother.

 

[Koichos]

I always thought it www through the mother? Am I wrong? A child is a Jew if the mother is a Jew for example…

So I assume Tribal affiliation and inheritance passed down through father, being a Jew is passed down through mother.

I’m a kohen because my father’s a kohen, but only because my mother’s a bat yisra´el.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

So I assume Tribal affiliation and inheritance passed down through father, being a Jew is passed down through mother.

Jew is tribal affiliation. You can only be a Jew if your father is from the tribe of Judah. Thats why the folks in the land today call themselves Israelis which came about in 1948. They have nothing to do with the children of Jacob, so they can't call themselves Israelites or Jews.

 

[JoelB]

In the post above it says this is said to be Mary’s lineage tracing back to Adam…

you would have to give me the specific scripture you're referring to

1.“And they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers…” Numbers 1:18

Your Father is the identifier of your Tribe

2.“I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.” 2 Samuel 7:12

Prophecy that the Messiah will come from the seed/sperm of King David

3.“…Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.” Romans 1:3

From the Torah all the way through to the NT...the seed/sperm is the focal point