ReturnOfJudah
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Left this thread days ago, and it's a hot mess. smh
Jesus proven not to be the messiah
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The Realist Perspective
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I did some further research into Daniel, yall are not ready for that conversation. What if I were to tell you the book of Daniel wasn’t written by a real guy named Daniel, it was made during a time when Jewish people were being brutally ruled, and it used stories and visions to give them hope. The wild dreams and “prophecies” in it were about stuff happening in that time, not predictions of Jesus hundreds of years later. But later on, the New Testament writers took those parts and reworked them to make it seem like Daniel had predicted Jesus all along, even though that’s not what the original writer meant and Daniel NEVER EVEN EXISTED. It’s basically ancient resistance fiction that got turned into prophecy after the fact.
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that's a relief.
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seriously? non-rational people ain't got time for that. i ask people all the time whether they use LLMs and there is a pattern.
people who are don't use them are the sort of people who don't do independent study, read about serious topics etc.
if they did they would know about confirmation bias, critical thinking, self delusion and all manner of other traps that mean we have to examine what we think. i.e. they would hold slightly less tightly to those beliefs in the first place.
LLMs are hard work. you cannot just believe what it tells you. a lot of people will just find that to be hard work or too confusing.
Koichos
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Not to mention, Daniyyel wasn’t even a Prophet: he is not regarded among the fifty-five who ‘prophesied to Yisra´el’, and the book that bears his name is relegated to K'tuvim (‘Other Writings’) as opposed to inclusion in N'vi´im (‘Prophetic Books’); he is never referred to as דָּנִיֵּאל הַנָּבִיא (‘The Prophet Daniyyel’), nor does he ever speak directly in God’s name with phrases such as כֹּה־אָמַר יְיָ (‘So says Adοnai’), נְאֻם־יְיָ (‘Adοnai’s declaration’) or הָיְתָה עָלַי יַד־יְיָ (‘Adοnai’s power came over me’) - like the Prophets did.I did some further research into Daniel, yall are not ready for that conversation. What if I were to tell you the book of Daniel wasn’t written by a real guy named Daniel, it was made during a time when Jewish people were being brutally ruled, and it used stories and visions to give them hope. The wild dreams and “prophecies” in it were about stuff happening in that time, not predictions of Jesus hundreds of years later. But later on, the New Testament writers took those parts and reworked them to make it seem like Daniel had predicted Jesus all along, even though that’s not what the original writer meant and Daniel NEVER EVEN EXISTED. It’s basically ancient resistance fiction that got turned into prophecy after the fact.
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ReturnOfJudah
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I keep telling you Trinity ain't in the bible and immaculate conception ain't in ther either.You wanna know another funny thing? If Jesus was born immaculately, that would mean he’s not a descendent of Joseph, which would mean he’s not a descendent of David. In the Bible it traces the line through Joseph. Not Mary.
Jewish tradition, tracing lineage, that is defined through the PAPPY.
The bible mention Joseph being Christ biological father.
Hebrews Chapter 2
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people
Seed = sperma, aka came from your daddy's ball sack. And i agree with you. God promised his seed will sit on the throne. Joseph came thru the seedline of David, which Christ came from the seed of Joseph
The Realist Perspective
Superstar
A good bit of reach here. Hebrews 2 says Jesus shared in flesh and blood like us and came from the seed of Abraham but that just means he was human and Jewish, not that Joseph was his biological dad. You can’t just see “seed” and think it’s talking about Joseph’s sperm. The Bible uses sperma metaphorically all the time like in Galatians 3:29, where it calls believers “Abraham’s seed.” That isn’t literal either.
For virgin birth, the Bible is clear on that:
Matthew 1:18 – Before they came together, she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 1:20 – That which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 1:25 – He knew her not until she had given birth to a son.
Luke 1:34–35 – How will this be, since I am a virgin?… The Holy Spirit will come upon you.
Joseph was considered the legal dad not the biological one. Bible says it flat out. Hebrews doesn’t override the virgin birth just because it talks about shared humanity.
Where I do agree with you is the Trinity thing i never understood it and it is not in the Bible in all that I read.
ReturnOfJudah
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It's not a reach. Out of Christ own mouth he said "it pleased him to be made like unto his brothers, from the seed of man" Hebrews 2:17. It would be pointless to have Christ come back any other way. He came back to show his people that we can walk the righteous path on this earth. And he did it as a flesh and blood man, not a demi god made from a angel father and earthly mother
DoubleClutch
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Hebrew Israelite/Jehovahs Witness/Muslim babble
ReturnOfJudah
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Hebrews 2:17Hebrew Israelite/Jehovahs Witness/Muslim babble
The Realist Perspective
Superstar
There are a few mixups in how you’re using Hebrews.
First off, Hebrews 2:17 isn’t Jesus talking. That line isn’t “out of Christ’s own mouth” like you said, it’s the author of Hebrews describing Jesus. Actually, the whole book of Hebrews never quotes Jesus directly at all.
The verse does say Jesus was made like his brothers in every way, which supports the idea that he was fully human. But the whole “angel father and earthly mother” thing isnt what the New Testament teaches. Christianity doesn’t claim Jesus was some kind of demigod or angelic hybrid. It says the Holy Spirit, not an angel, was involved in the virgin birth.
Also, no one actually knows who wrote Hebrews. It used to be credited to Paul, but that’s been questioned for a long time because the style is very different from his other writings.
The book was written to early Jewish believers who were thinking about going back to the old ways like Temple sacrifices, Mosaic Law, etc. The whole point of Hebrews is to convince them that Jesus is the fulfillment of all of that. Whether someone agrees or not, that’s the framework it’s working from.
If you think about it it’s crazy. I mean if you really really look at it. Jesus not being the messiah. But these people are trying to convert Jews from what they practice to follow this other “god” Jesus. Hebrews is positively Wild.
ReturnOfJudah
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Angels can be spirits . You keep talking, but have no knowledge of the bible
Hebrews 1:7
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
This is the regard the birth of John the Baptist. I guess his mom has a ghost baby daddy too
Luke 1:13-15
King James Version
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Zacharias and Joseph are John & Christ biological fathers.
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