Jets to cut Sanchez, pick Geno Smith?

[yseJ]

Great teams have that guy though, including your Niners. The goal is to be great, right? Does getting a great QB fix everything? No, but it fixes your biggest issue going forward. No shame in wanting to do that.

As for the rest, that's part of why I didn't wanna draft Geno. This team needs help everywhere and given how bad we'd be, we'd get a better QB next year to enter a better situation. They'll ease Geno in if they're smart.

getting a great qb doesnt fix the biggest issue, if qb is not your biggest issue. Id argue that its not with the jets.

but getting a 'great' qb from the draft in general is nearly impossible. rarely you get a great qb from the get go. Im pretty sure if yall had kaep you wouldnt consider him great. dude looked raw as hell just this preseason. great team around him gave him confidence and that took the whole team, plus growing pains.

 

[yseJ]

but the mistake was in the actual personnel not the philosophy behind the moves. the jets tried to give sanchez weapons, they were just duds. the thing that needed to change was the gm needed to identify quality players better. we won't know until further into idzik's regime if he's better at talent evaluation than tannenbaum.. but to say the jets didn't TRY to surround sanchez with talent is false.

but trying is not good enough...it did work for a couple of years, sure. good organizations sustain success even without a good qb

it doesn't make sense to wait until you have a complete team to draft a qb. because the qb is probably going to need a couple years to really get acclimated to the nfl.

its exactly why it makes ALL the sense. win-now mode is retarded. baby steps and then you pound it. steelers model is still the most successful one in winning multiple bowls in the last 10 years that didnt involve coaching geniuses.

people aren't looking for top 10 qbs thinking it means automatic super bowl. but it also means your team will always be competitive.

and steelers were always competitive with kordell stewart and tommy maddox. so were the ravens with dilfer and until flacco

why is it such a sin for us to be happy to see a new face at qb?

we just went through a season with sanchez, tebow and mcelroy taking snaps at qb. we can't be happy that we drafted geno?

thats actually not my point at all. I have nothing against geno (altho I dont think hes that good). its more of a jets not learning from their own mistakes and setting up a newly drafted qb to fail.
so, in fact, I feel sorry for Geno if he's made start anytime this year before christmas or something

 

[Trip]

was Andrew Luck set up to fail...at any position its either you have it or you dont....

enough with the David Carr scenario for a expansion team....and even then him and Couch would have probably sucked everywhere

 

[Inevitable Sanchez Fumble]

You didn't say ball security issues, you said he gets fumbled every time he is hit, which isn't true.

I'm certain people rather see Sanchez fail than actually become a good qb, I know tremont does

 

[MarloStanfield]

was Andrew Luck set up to fail...at any position its either you have it or you dont....

enough with the David Carr scenario for a expansion team....and even then him and Couch would have probably sucked everywhere

Dumbest shyt i ever read

 

[Trip]

Dumbest shyt i ever read

shytty players are shytty players regardless.

Sanchez, Gabbert or any other scrub you think's getting held back bc of "weapons" is mostly nonsense...

 

[MarloStanfield]

shytty players are shytty players regardless.

So there are not players that look good in a certain system, than get moved somewhere and look trash ?

 

[Spaceman Piff]

but trying is not good enough...it did work for a couple of years, sure. good organizations sustain success even without a good qb


its exactly why it makes ALL the sense. win-now mode is retarded. baby steps and then you pound it. steelers model is still the most successful one in winning multiple bowls in the last 10 years that didnt involve coaching geniuses.


and steelers were always competitive with kordell stewart and tommy maddox. so were the ravens with dilfer and until flacco


thats actually not my point at all. I have nothing against geno (altho I dont think hes that good). its more of a jets not learning from their own mistakes and setting up a newly drafted qb to fail.
so, in fact, I feel sorry for Geno if he's made start anytime this year before christmas or something

you're assuming a lot of things and then arguing that it's wrong before things have even happened. how have the jets set up geno to fail? by drafting him? that's stupid. then every bad team drafting a qb high is setting their qb up to fail. other than drafting him, the jets have done nothing but draft offensive linemen to fix their o-line. is that not trying to help geno?

the jets are no longer in win now mode. we're rebuilding the o-line and the d-line. which is pretty much everyone's favorite team building mantra. "the game is won in the trenches." win now mode was going after aging veterans hoping they had enough in the tank to help them get over the afc championship hump. that is not happening at ALL anymore.

not saying geno is on a level with luck and rg3.. but both those guys started immediately on weak teams. were they set up to fail? luck played behind a TERRIBLE line, a MUCH weaker line than the one geno would have next year. i don't think anyone would argue that starting luck was a bad idea.

 

[Trip]

you're assuming a lot of things and then arguing that it's wrong before things have even happened. how have the jets set up geno to fail? by drafting him? that's stupid. then every bad team drafting a qb high is setting their qb up to fail. other than drafting him, the jets have done nothing but draft offensive linemen to fix their o-line. is that not trying to help geno?

the jets are no longer in win now mode. we're rebuilding the o-line and the d-line. which is pretty much everyone's favorite team building mantra. "the game is won in the trenches." win now mode was going after aging veterans hoping they had enough in the tank to help them get over the afc championship hump. that is not happening at ALL anymore.

not saying geno is on a level with luck and rg3.. but both those guys started immediately on weak teams. were they set up to fail? luck played behind a TERRIBLE line, a MUCH weaker line than the one geno would have next year. i don't think anyone would argue that starting luck was a bad idea.

this...exactly.

Good thing about Geno too...taking him in the second this year doesnt preclude the Jets from taking someone next year if need be

 

[Spaceman Piff]

this...exactly.

Good thing about Geno too...taking him in the second this year doesnt preclude the Jets from taking someone next year if need be

yeah, that's something i tried telling my buddies this weekend

they weren't hearing it though

"nah, you're committed to him blah blah"

 

[yseJ]

you're assuming a lot of things and then arguing that it's wrong before things have even happened. how have the jets set up geno to fail? by drafting him? that's stupid. then every bad team drafting a qb high is setting their qb up to fail. other than drafting him, the jets have done nothing but draft offensive linemen to fix their o-line. is that not trying to help geno?

the jets are no longer in win now mode. we're rebuilding the o-line and the d-line. which is pretty much everyone's favorite team building mantra. "the game is won in the trenches." win now mode was going after aging veterans hoping they had enough in the tank to help them get over the afc championship hump. that is not happening at ALL anymore.

not saying geno is on a level with luck and rg3.. but both those guys started immediately on weak teams. were they set up to fail? luck played behind a TERRIBLE line, a MUCH weaker line than the one geno would have next year. i don't think anyone would argue that starting luck was a bad idea.

I never said drafting him is a mistake. I said starting him now will only result in yall disappointed yet again and looking to get another qb very soon

luck was the #1 pick and thought to be once in a decade qb. the oline was bad, sure.
it does help luck is very mobile.

but luck clearly is miles ahead of sanchez and geno talent-wise.
the colts team wasnt terrible in terms of talent. it just needed a qb to be average/good (and average works fine in that division).

its historically proven that most qbs who have been successful has been baby sat through their first years or given great team around them.

the exceptions are far in between, mostly guys with once-in-decades talent (peyton, luck, maybe cam)

you throw in kaep as a starter on a shytty team his rookie year, he might be out of the league in 5 years.

the whole 'talent rises to the top' bullshyt is just that...bullshyt. football is a team game and unless you're elite....you need help. and its extremely hard to find an elite qb. but its easy to mold a decent/above average qb given enough care and tools

 

[yseJ]

yeah, that's something i tried telling my buddies this weekend

they weren't hearing it though

"nah, you're committed to him blah blah"

but why not commit to a guy ? heres this shyt again, you seem to be content going through the motions and playing roulette hoping to hit your number

build a team first, then get a qb. even if he fails...you'll still have the team around him, and youll be able to figure out faster if hes good enough, because there will be no excuses.

 

[Trip]

were the redskins building a team prior to rg3...

your point makes zero sense.

If Geno is the real deal everything else falls into place not the other way around....good qb plays allows a team to be consistent year in and out...most other parts are moving pieces that you replenish through the draft.

Kellen Clemens and Mark Sanchez didnt fail because of the Jets....they failed because they stunk.

 

[MarloStanfield]

Garrard is old and injury prone, and Geno is a project right now. Neither of them will be starting idk why Jets fans are getting their hopes up Sanchez be gone, lol.

 

[Spaceman Piff]

but why not commit to a guy ? heres this shyt again, you seem to be content going through the motions and playing roulette hoping to hit your number

build a team first, then get a qb. even if he fails...you'll still have the team around him, and youll be able to figure out faster if hes good enough, because there will be no excuses.

again.. you're making up arguments.

i never said NOT to commit to geno.

i said drafting a qb in the second round doesn't automatically commit the team to years of developing him.

the eagles weren't committed to kolb. they're not committed to foles. the pats aren't committed to mallett. the panthers weren't committed to clausen. etc.

the jets ARE building a team. they're rebuilding the o-line and the defense.

let me ask you this.

what do the jets need to do before drafting a qb?