Jets want middle ground with Fitzpatrick

[King Crimson]

It's not about the money. I don't blame either side for doing what they're doing. If Fitz comes back, cool. However I don't want his cap hits affecting the team after this season. Next season isn't gonna matter. I would say tear it all down but the Jets organization doesn't have the aptitude or wherewithal to find young talent and plug them in. When they prove that, great, but otherwise they're not gonna wind up with that franchise QB unless they're choosing at a spot nobody could fukk up

Basically.

Well then I can't throw dirt at your position here, because Fitzpatrick ain't the long term answer, and clearly you don't mind taking a year off in 2016.

Gtfoh. Most people in here, myself included, said the same thing.

They are tearing it down. Look who's off the books next year. Fitzpatrick is competent. We've done incompetent at the QB for too long. There's nothing wrong with him being the bridge as the roster turns over.

Sticking with Fitz will have us where we are year after year. He has never gotten a team over that bump and we'll be the same if we keep him for too long, bro. He's not awful, but he's not what we need in an era where QB play is probably the most factor.

You blame people for supporting a guy who had the greatest QB season in your franchises history.

And you're over here still campaigning for Geno Smith. You should be ashamed.

Show me where I campaigned from smith other than saying that he was the starter at the beginning of the year and we haven't had a chance to see what he has with this new O and O-Coordinator. I even just admitted that he probably won't be here next season. Whoever taught you how to read and reason should be ashamed.
As for Fitz, continue to act as if he was the primary reason for those 10 wins.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

Look what happens when the Skins tossed that black QB in the bushes, they made the playoffs.

RG3 is a terrible QB. Black, white, purple, yellow, it doesn't absolve him from being bad at his job.

But it does on the Coli. Because if Geno Smith was an italian, you`d want him cut yesterday, but instead people are still campaigning for him to get a shot at "The qb job he won last year!" On August 11th, before a single pre-season snap.

 

[Trip]

Basically.

Gtfoh. Most people in here, myself included, said the same thing.

Sticking with Fitz will have us where we are year after year. He has never gotten a team over that bump and we'll be the same if we keep him for too long, bro. He's not awful, but he's not what we need in an era where QB play is probably the most factor.


Show me where I campaigned from smith other than saying that he was the starter at the beginning of the year and we haven't had a chance to see what he has with this new O and O-Coordinator. I even just admitted that he probably won't be here next season. Whoever taught you how to read and reason should be ashamed.
As for Fitz, continue to act as if he was the primary reason for those 10 wins.

Theres a chance the Jets go QB in round 1 this year anyways. I'm pretty sure the Jets are aware they need to find a guy long term there. But I think they'd also like to be competitive in the interim.

The coaches know where Petty is right now. Bowles and Maccagnan still have the benefit of the doubt in terms of personnel decisions from me. If they want Fitzpatrick to start I'll support that. It was nice seeing a competent offense for once.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

Show me where I campaigned from smith other than saying that he was the starter at the beginning of the year and we haven't had a chance to see what he has with this new O and O-Coordinator. I even just admitted that he probably won't be here next season. Whoever taught you how to read and reason should be ashamed.
As for Fitz, continue to act as if he was the primary reason for those 10 wins.

I never said he was, but that offense carried that team in games, you cannot say that about many other Jets teams of the last 10 years.

And I see right through your shyt, why even bring up Geno Smith winning a QB competition? It's clear you're still holding out some hope in your tiny little heart for that scrub

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

Theres a chance the Jets go QB in round 1 this year anyways. I'm pretty sure the Jets are aware they need to find a guy long term there. But I think they'd also like to be competitive in the interim.

The coaches know where Petty is right now. Bowles and Maccagnan still have the benefit of the doubt in terms of personnel decisions from me. If they want Fitzpatrick to start I'll support that. It was nice seeing a competent offense for once.

That's what I don't get.

Don't you want to see your team do well. I can see not wanting to pay the guy 18m, but to pretend that the Jets aren't on some BS offering the guy 7m, that's just silly.

Fitz is no franchise guy but he clearly is the best option for 2016, and ain't you tryna watch your team win, if it's a reasonable contract

 

[King P]

The black player is horrendous.

And it's not because he is black, it's because he isn't good at his job.

I`m not clamoring for Fitzpatrick, i`m saying he is your best chance to be competitive. Read my posts, you can see i`m not even saying he's worth what he wants, i`m saying he is worth more than you are offering him.

People like you love to live in the past, referencing what RG3 did 4 years ago means nothing today, you don't sign FA's by what they were doing in 2012.

You're just dumb to mention shyt like this when comparing RG3 and Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick's familiarity, chemistry and proven recent production make him your best option. RG3's highlights from 4 years ago are just thatt, highlights from 4 years ago.

And of course I don't want Kaep, he is similar to RG3 but better as in he had more than 1 decent season. I`m not crazy over Gabbert either, read the caption below the avi. I`d rather have us draft someone at 7 and start all over

I assume you're speaking on Geno. I don't even like Geno like that first of all. I'll admit he's struggled badly. But I also don't believe in giving up on a QB after only 2 seasons. Why don't you go look at guys like Aikman and Bradshaw. See how bad they did their 1st 2 seasons. If they played in this era you'd want them gone already. Oh wait nevermind they're white so they're gonna get more chances.

You also don't pay FA's by what they did last you too. You don't pay them for past production, you pay them on how you think they'll perform for you in the future.

And if Fitzpatrick is our best chance to be competitive, then we're done. He's been in the league for 10 years and hasn't done shyt. After 10 years, it's proven you can't win with him.

Look what happens when the Skins tossed that black QB in the bushes, they made the playoffs.

RG3 is a terrible QB. Black, white, purple, yellow, it doesn't absolve him from being bad at his job.

But it does on the Coli. Because if Geno Smith was an italian, you`d want him cut yesterday, but instead people are still campaigning for him to get a shot at "The qb job he won last year!" On August 11th, before a single pre-season snap.

The Skins also had a cupcake schedule and were lucky that the Cowboys were hampered with injuries to their key players. Kirk Cousins didn't beat 1 single winning team, and they shyt the bed when they made the playoffs At least RG3 led them to a division title and kept it competitive with Seattle in the playoffs before getting hurt.

And if Geno Smith was Italian you'd be doing the exact same thing you're accusing us of doing

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

I assume you're speaking on Geno.

I was talking about RG3

 

[tremonthustler1]

That's what I don't get.

Don't you want to see your team do well. I can see not wanting to pay the guy 18m, but to pretend that the Jets aren't on some BS offering the guy 7m, that's just silly.

Fitz is no franchise guy but he clearly is the best option for 2016, and ain't you tryna watch your team win, if it's a reasonable contract

We'd love to, but many of us know it's unlikely to happen next season.

 

[King P]

That's what I don't get.

Don't you want to see your team do well. I can see not wanting to pay the guy 18m, but to pretend that the Jets aren't on some BS offering the guy 7m, that's just silly.

Fitz is no franchise guy but he clearly is the best option for 2016, and ain't you tryna watch your team win, if it's a reasonable contract

If Fitz is no franchise guy, then why waste our time with him? And no I'm not saying RG3 and Geno Smith are either, but at least with them there's a slight bit of potential (whereas there's none with Fitzpatrick). And if they're really as bad as you and everybody else says they are, then we'll do really bad and be able to land a potential franchise QB.

This is why I'm still very salty that this team went out and won meaningless games in 2014 when we could have just lost out and drafted Jameis Winston. Then we wouldn't have any of these problems. But our fanbase was so against the idea of tanking because "ZOMG, HOW COULD YOU THINK ABOUT WANTING TO LOSE! YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!!" even though we lost all the games when it counted. Yet Jets fans act like we're too good to tank

I'm just looking at the bigger picture. I have no interest in just making it to the playoffs only to be a 1st round sacrificial lamb to a much better team. I've been a Jets fan for almost 20 years. I've seen the highs and I've seen the lows. At this point, just being competitive doesn't excite me. I don't wanna be competitive, I wanna win!

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

His one position of strength is he's the last one left on the market and he's clearly better than Petty, Sanchez or whoever the Rams plan on starting.

And all those other teams could've signed Fitzpatrick and chose not to. So if all those other weak qb's get picked over you how you think you gonna get paid the same amount???? He's asking for too much. He should just be happy the bills overpaid him and keep it moving. He's a backup journeyman trying to get paid like he's going to be the franchise QB for the next 5 or 6 years. He was one Geno bob instead of weave away from not getting nearly the amount of snaps he got last year.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

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The Skins also had a cupcake schedule and were lucky that the Cowboys were hampered with injuries to their key players. Kirk Cousins didn't beat 1 single winning team, and they shyt the bed when they made the playoffs At least RG3 led them to a division title and kept it competitive with Seattle in the playoffs before getting hurt.

And if Geno Smith was Italian you'd be doing the exact same thing you're accusing us of doing

Why do you live in 2012 though?

I don't give a fukk what color the QB is, I don't defend a player because they look like me.

But you want it to be that way, because it makes writing my whole viewpoint off so much easier.

I am only defending Fitzpatrick's desire for more than 7-8 m because of, get this, HIS fukkING PLAY!

I know it's unreal, that i may look at performance rather than color. Performance wise, in relation to the market, a QB who threw for 31 td's deserves more than 7-8m.

Look at the salary list of players who made in that range, only 1 QB and it was Foles. He deserves more than Nick Foles

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

If Fitz is no franchise guy, then why waste our time with him?

And this is the problem with a lot of fans.

There aren't 32 franchise QB's.

Not every team gets a franchise QB.

You can win games without them, you can win Super Bowls without them (Hi Denver Broncoes 2015).

If you live by the idea "Well they're not a franchise guy, why waste time on him" then you're gonna be getting rid of the QB position every year for a very long time.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

And all those other teams could've signed Fitzpatrick and chose not to. So if all those other weak qb's get picked over you how you think you gonna get paid the same amount???? He's asking for too much. He should just be happy the bills overpaid him and keep it moving. He's a backup journeyman trying to get paid like he's going to be the franchise QB for the next 5 or 6 years. He was one Geno bob instead of weave away from not getting nearly the amount of snaps he got last year.

Even if Geno played, we all know he`d be benched by week 2. Let's be real.

Fitz definitely isn't getting what he wants on the market, because he is unrealistic as the Jets are.

7-8m is a silly number, and his asking price is a silly number too.

 

[Trip]

I never said he was, but that offense carried that team in games, you cannot say that about many other Jets teams of the last 10 years.

And I see right through your shyt, why even bring up Geno Smith winning a QB competition? It's clear you're still holding out some hope in your tiny little heart for that scrub

And all those other teams could've signed Fitzpatrick and chose not to. So if all those other weak qb's get picked over you how you think you gonna get paid the same amount???? He's asking for too much. He should just be happy the bills overpaid him and keep it moving. He's a backup journeyman trying to get paid like he's going to be the franchise QB for the next 5 or 6 years. He was one Geno bob instead of weave away from not getting nearly the amount of snaps he got last year.

I don't think the Rams or Broncos have determined who their QB is of yet.

Either way, I'm fine with the Jets taking their time on this.

 

[Trip]

If Fitz is no franchise guy, then why waste our time with him? And no I'm not saying RG3 and Geno Smith are either, but at least with them there's a slight bit of potential (whereas there's none with Fitzpatrick). And if they're really as bad as you and everybody else says they are, then we'll do really bad and be able to land a potential franchise QB.

This is why I'm still very salty that this team went out and won meaningless games in 2014 when we could have just lost out and drafted Jameis Winston. Then we wouldn't have any of these problems. But our fanbase was so against the idea of tanking because "ZOMG, HOW COULD YOU THINK ABOUT WANTING TO LOSE! YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!!" even though we lost all the games when it counted. Yet Jets fans act like we're too good to tank

I'm just looking at the bigger picture. I have no interest in just making it to the playoffs only to be a 1st round sacrificial lamb to a much better team. I've been a Jets fan for almost 20 years. I've seen the highs and I've seen the lows. At this point, just being competitive doesn't excite me. I don't wanna be competitive, I wanna win!

Every Jets fan with a brain wanted them to lose the Titans and Dolphins game back in 2014. I was cheering when Delanie Walker had a chance to score.