David_TheMan
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He played 3 and 4 and I said proto-stretch 4 for a reason, but you can legit say he was one of the onees to start that and show what that skill set at that size could do if they could ball handle and shoot at range.
Jim Jackson: Larry Bird and Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade aren't Transformational Basketball Players
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David_TheMan
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Jordan was made the face and protagonist of the league, but I wouldn't say Kobe was ever in the same standard or sphere as Jordan.
Kobe is a good player, the marketing wasn't behind him as it was for Bird and Magic or Jordan.
Kobe didn't change anything about the league either.
AI probably had more effect on the league than Kobe in terms of what STern did to wipe his influence off the league with the dress code and etc.
krazykid18
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He never played 4 in any lineup stop lying Cedric Maxwell and Mchale played 4 and Parish manned the five and some big lumbering white dudes who backed him up he never played 4 stop making it up to fit your argument, because as a 3 none of what you are saying he could do was wow, so you are trying to make him a 4
David_TheMan
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He was drafted as a Power Forward and was listed as Power Forward for the Celtics in 80 - 84
Th3G3ntleman
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Anyone else tired of former players going on these TV shows and saying outlandish shyt? Ever single day another former player in saying some ridiculously stupid shyt for white people's amusement on these dumbass hot take T.V shows. It's disgusting.
Conscious Pilot
Do Better.
I don’t mind lesser former professional players critiquing other professional players actually prefer it than some nerd who doesn’t even know how to do a crossover... but to undermine and shyt on them when you weren’t even in their stratosphere
if you werent wow'd when watching Kobe play, you never watched him
as for Jim Jackson's comments, it's an interesting take and I see what he's getting at. And as a former player he's within his right to express this. He played against and with Kobe, and also played vs Wade.
besides all that, Larry Bird definitely was transformational. I think all 3 were transformational in their own way.
letti cook
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if they let dude explain his point they mightve got somewhere
CACarot
Where is Princess Fajita
I think he makes valid points. Those guys are great but they didn't really create transformational shifts in the league play style or approach to stopping them. I think you can argue AI is more transformational than Kobe, Wade, Bird.
but his fanbase is just as big if not bigger than all of them except MJ. Kobe left a humongous impression on basketball fans around the world, and also influenced an entire generation of players, period.
I agree that AI is up there in terms of being transformational as well.
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
Gonna say something then back out this thread real quick,
Scottie pippen did more to redefine the small forward position than Larry bird .....
*ducks tomatoes and leaves quick*
Scottie pippen did more to redefine the small forward position than Larry bird .....
*ducks tomatoes and leaves quick*
krazykid18
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LOL@ Kobe's fanbase is bigger than Bird's and Magic cmon SON STOP IT
Bird's fanbase is white fans of levels you don't see.
krazykid18
Superstar
That is true Scottie killed the Adrian Dantley, Mark Aguirre small forwards into the new age which is what got Carmelo a bad rap since he is from the old school pre Scottie Small forward