Jim Ross goes off on the status of heels in WWE

[DANJ!]

exactly, shyt don't even make sense in 2014.

jr is stuck in the 80's/golden era, that shyt aint working today, fans are just too smart.

There are some things in wrestling that will never be old. Cheating to win, antagonizing fans, and being cowardly will always work for heels no matter what year it is.

Ever see when it looks like they bout to get it on, and then the heel steps away and leaves the ring acting like he ain't got time... people boo that, still.

Or when Orton gets a cheap pin after some shyt he didn't have anything to do with, and then walks away with the belt like he did it on his own? People boo that.

Nobody boos a heel whoopin' ass and getting clean wins all the time... that'll only get 'em over the other way.

 

[MushroomX]

It takes more than "Breaking the Rules" to be a heel. You have to have that swagga. You have to look and act like a professional dikk.

Like a blatant low blow for a DQ, then pummeling the guy with chairshots on the body just because

Hell even do it on weak heels. Your forced into a tag match with a weaker partner? Walk out on him after a hot tag just because he wasn't fast enough to tag you in. fukk even kill the dude with chairshots and claim dominance.

 

[R=G]

Steve Austin don't believe in that cute tweener shyt. Go 100% one way or another.

 

[September]

Sounds like lot of todays fans.


I think there is bigger issues than the heels right now. The commentary is embarrassing speak on that JR.

He did in his AMA. I think he said that they do the best they can and he was lucky because he didn't have so many people in his ear while he was doing commentary. He did say he's not a fan of talking about something that he's not seeing.

 

[We Ready]

Sound like CM Punk was the perfect heel then


Too bad the fans wouldn't dislike him

 

[R=G]

Lesnar vs Bryan is extremely easy to book. It's like a repeat of Eddie vs Lesnar. Lesnar will dominate big time but Bryan will do the Rocky Balboa thing and never quit. It's a excellent recipe for a masterpiece.

 

[714562]

Yeah, you don't have to do corny shyt like use the tights or insult people's hometowns. You just have to have a bad attitude and hurt people that the crowd likes.

Look at Bray Wyatt. He's a great heel, but you don't see him insulting the local football team or some shyt.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Plus if there's anything we've learned it's that these fukkin idiot fans will chant anything.

ANYTHING.

Doesn't matter who you are. You could cut a promo about fukking Daniel Bryan's mother in the ass with a steel pipe and as long as you could find a way to get the fans involved, as long as you make them feel like they're apart of the show... you will get over. You see because fans no longer demand creativity and innovation from their wrestling superstars. They no longer want someone to put their faith in and believe in. Like HHH and Steph said in that promo, fans don't want to put in the work. They just wanna latch on and chant shyt.

And sadly the audiences have conditioned these wrestlers to think that the only way to get over is to get a chant going. So none of these guys feel they need to push the boundaries anymore and give us anything innovative or fresh. They just go out there and concoct methods to encourage some type of fan reaction. I still maintain to this day that Daniel Bryan isn't over. It's his CHANT that's over.

These dumb muthafukkin fans were actually chanting "WE THE PEOPLE" along with Zeb even though they knew full well the hateful and intolerant origin of the catchphrase. But because fans love to chant, because they have no other way to entertain themselves... this redneck hillbilly conservative tight ass BAD GUY manager had arenas chanting along with him in unison. It makes no sense.

JR is right. If there are heels getting positive reactions for whatever reason... then stop whatever it is that they're doing and change course. A heel's job is to get HEAT. That's it. If you're not getting HEAT then you aren't doing your job as a heel.

 

[Kidd Dibiase]

there's still plenty of pulling the tights, not sure why this keeps being brought up.

Cesaro clearly isn't a heel anyway so lets take him out of the conversation.

But the cowardly heel is tired, does it work....sure..but can it take away from a feud YES if done too much.

When Orton was scared of losing to Christian, he slapped the ref in the face and rolled out the ring...it was great. Will it have the same effect EVERY time a heel does it....NO.

 

[CJ]

I'm sort of torn on the subject but I get what JR is saying. The biggest heel in the company right now is Haitch, by far. He does/says exactly what you want to hear in order to hate him. The biggest pops against a heel in the past year was him getting TKO'd by Big Show (of all people) and catching that running knee from Bryan. He brings out that true smug/a$$hole personality. I don't think you need a guy playing the coward /cheating angle just to generate him as heel (unless it actually suits his character ie: Dean Ambrose being a slimeball/sleezy heel trying to win any way he can.) It needs to flow through their persona first.

Everyone else right now borders tweener. They rarely ever go directly at the fans/cities they are in to generate any heat (some may call it cheap heat, but whatever.) You got Shield/Wyatts getting mixed reactions from the jump, depending on who they are attacking of course. That shouldn't be. The heels are booked to have face-like agendas too: Shield with the injustice, Wyatts with essentially letting yourself free, you got Cesaro with probably the most face-like move imaginable as it's funny/entertaining and respectable given the strength involved.

But then I think, is it really a lack of a real heel, or the lack of true beloved babyfaces (that aren't cheesy) that unite smarks and marks together

Outside of Triple H, I can't even think who generates pure heel heat. Lesnar I think is #2 now given that he broke that silly Streak (). Outside of that? Maybe Miz could be #3 since everyone seems to hate that fukk

 

[The Lord Doc]

Yes and no.

There should be a distinction made between chicken-shyt, cowardly heels and monster heels. I wouldn't mind seeing cowardly heels use more traditional heel tactics like tight grabs, eye pokes/rakes, and low blows (E.G. NWA Ric Flair), but every heel shouldn't be booked like that. A guy like Brock Lesnar pulling the tights or using an eye rake is ridiculous. Hell, I wasn't a fan of Heyman getting involved in Lesnar's matches with Punk and Triple H to the extent that he did, because it makes Lesnar look weak. Guys like Lesnar (or Vader in the past) should serve as true tests for a baby face to overcome.

 

[DANJ!]

Yeah, you don't have to do corny shyt like use the tights or insult people's hometowns. You just have to have a bad attitude and hurt people that the crowd likes.

Look at Bray Wyatt. He's a great heel, but you don't see him insulting the local football team or some shyt.

Yeah, but all I see is crowds clapping to his theme and cheering him. Especially when he says "________, we're here"... which is pretty much the same as saying "finally, the Rock HAS COME BACK to _______" or Foley saying "right here, in ______"

And granted, there's always gonna be those fans who cheer the guys they like whether face or heel. Even back in the day, there were people who cheered Flair or Savage no matter what. But it definitely shouldn't be because the heels did things that specifically play to the fans.

 

[thaKEAF]

I've been saying this for a while. There are no crazy heel beat downs (Trips on Bryan is the first in a while I can remember). There are no tactics or segments were very heelish things happen to make you hate them. There are still good guys and bad guys but there's a reason why the majority of heels come out to crickets and barely get heat in promos. The two most over heels in the company are Triple H and Steph.

You can be a heel and not be over cowardly. But every heel is just bland and does nothing to get over as a bad guy. Triple H did coward stuff during his great heel runs but he also did shyt that had you like . Brock in 02 was booked like a beast but when was the last time a heel was pushed like that? They'll have guys like rusev and Jason Albert squash jobbers for a few months but the long term heel
Booking is terrible. Has been for years.

 

[R=G]

I'm sort of torn on the subject but I get what JR is saying. The biggest heel in the company right now is Haitch, by far. He does/says exactly what you want to hear in order to hate him. The biggest pops against a heel in the past year was him getting TKO'd by Big Show (of all people) and catching that running knee from Bryan. He brings out that true smug/@sshole personality. I don't think you need a guy playing the coward /cheating angle just to generate him as heel (unless it actually suits his character ie: Dean Ambrose being a slimeball/sleezy heel trying to win any way he can.) It needs to flow through their persona first.

Everyone else right now borders tweener. They rarely ever go directly at the fans/cities they are in to generate any heat (some may call it cheap heat, but whatever.) You got Shield/Wyatts getting mixed reactions from the jump, depending on who they are attacking of course. That shouldn't be. The heels are booked to have face-like agendas too: Shield with the injustice, Wyatts with essentially letting yourself free,you got Cesaro with probably the most face-like move imaginable as it's funny/entertaining and respectable given the strength involved.

But then I think, is it really a lack of a real heel, or the lack of true beloved babyfaces (that aren't cheesy) that unite smarks and marks together

Outside of Triple H, I can't even think who generates pure heel heat. Lesnar I think is #2 now given that he broke that silly Streak (). Outside of that? Maybe Miz could be #3 since everyone seems to hate that fukk

Cripple H is built up to look dominant and get away with everything. Stephanie is more over than he is....Cripple H has never gotten heat like she got in that Chicago segment with Bryan.

 

[CJ]

Cripple H is built up to look dominant and get away with everything. Stephanie is more over than he is....Cripple H has never gotten heat like she got in that Chicago segment with Bryan.

Yes, that reaction was nuclear. Meant more about how it carries over into the ring ie: during the match. I get what you're saying with her though.