Jim Ross goes off on the status of heels in WWE

[ExodusNirvana]

Nah...those backstage after Raw promos are some of the best of the year....sorry, Brey Wyatt. This kid came from the bottom and politics and his size worked against him. He's not supposed to be here but he is because the fans put him in this position. There is no one on the roster more legitimate than he is...look at his special, the Austin podcast interview where he sounds 100% than that fake bullshyt spin Cena was spinning about his Rumble match reaction with Blandy....people are hating on Bryan RIGHT NOW because he got too big and exceeded what they thought he would amount to. You got trolls acting like Cripple H got him here...saying he was Kliq'd up but those same clowns were CM GAWD THIS AND CM GAWD THAT until that dirty looking fool quit on them and their rambling and words amounted to nothing as usual.

Bryan isn't on Raw? Crowd is damn near dead. That's the facts that count now. Cripple H is a super heel but the crowd gave no fukks about little Evolution....all that "swagger and character"...all that bullshyt? Didn't mean a motherfukking thing....again.

Whoa whoa slow down....crowd was dead because it was in Bama

If that shyt happend in a smark city the roof would have came off.

 

[R=G]

Whoa whoa slow down....crowd was dead because it was in Bama

If that shyt happend in a smark city the roof would have came off.

Nah I doubt it...no smarks city is marking out for Batista

 

[JerseyBoy23]

In this case I guess like JR never liked nWo or specifically the Outsiders for being cool heels.

 

[Don Dada Barbosa]

Heels always cheating is stupid, it really depends on the heel. The monster heel who destroys your favorites is the best, the reason Lesner doesn't get booed often is A. He mostly always lost except for last time. and B. the booking and again booking. Beating the streak is the only good booking he's had.

 

[Art Barr]

Barrett could be a good heel if booked right...

barrett was ruined by nxt.

yet, this new gimmick would actually work.
plus, take him to new levels.
if he actually had the gavel and used it to cheat to win.
his roaring elbow and boom is nuffin but boomstick levels of awfulness.

he should retire that strike and go back to wasteland and have the gavel accompany him to ringside.


BOOM!!


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

I'm not even sayin this to be a dikk but can someone please point out to me WHAT it is about Daniel Bryan that makes you think he would have gotten AS over without the chant?

In fact pretend Daniel Bryan were to cut a live promo TODAY only without the help of a yes chant. What would he do?

I'm serious. Pretend you took that card out of his deck. What's left that's unique to HIM?

you really don't understand anything from workrate, ring psychology or character development and booking.


you really think Daniel bryan is nuffin but the yes, chant.
the yes chant is just over as a buy product of him being buried at mania.
so, he did not upstage hbk/hhh/taker at mania, that year.
which resulted in the eighteen second job to sheamus at mania.
despite him being with aj and re-creating macho/Elizabeth, for the gen.

then, after that...his character development with kane in group therapy.
on top of being the best work for the past twelve years in a row inring.

you really don't understand anything.
when, it comes to being a educated about this business.



art barr

 

[Art Barr]

My Man is really tryna discredit Bryan.Dude was over in NXT as a "rookie" than most mid carders at that time.

dude is talking about bryan.
who pretty was an integral part of the last great televised wrasslin show on the upstart roh directv show.
to the point, the wwe immediately raided any and every talent that it could get its hands on.

he just does not know, any other intangibles about wrasslin.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Well neither of those guys are anything special either.

But it ain't just about not having any character it's about getting the fans and getting ME to believe in you. When I see Daniel Bryan out there making his case for why he should be the champ I DON'T BELIEVE HIM. I see a guy who's explosive in the ring and a guy who loves to wrestle but what I don't see is a guy who can make me believe he's the best wrestler in the WWE.

And that's your primary job as a performer, to get these people to believe in you. And you have to ask yourself do these people really BELIEVE in Daniel Bryan or do they just chant because they desire to be apart of something.

Like I said now that the journey is over and the chase is over and the the underdog angle no longer plays, it's gonna be very interesting to see where this goes. I'm not sure what else there is to cling to when it comes to that character. I don't know if he has the versatility to keep you engaged. If he's still this "over" as a babyface in 7-8 months I would be highly surprised.

the bolded shows you really don't know workrate at all.
you are just being negative to be negative.
which comes from your lack of understanding key principles in this business.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

lol if every heel is a cowardly heel it'd be pretty redundant

wwe had a period like that.

it was god awful, too.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Ya'll are kind of playing "What came first, the chicken or the egg?"


Fact is, Bryan, since coming on NXT, had the fans attention and even made himself a star by the end of the 1st episode. Since then its been a combination of his AMAZING ring work, character development and making the best out of bad angles/situations that led to good booking.

Sure, the YES chant played a major part in getting him over, but look at fukkin Ryback. FEED ME MORE was over as shyt but because Ryback wasn't able to hold his own as a character, was bad in the ring and didn't develop his character look at him now.

Bryan DID luck up with the YES chant but he smartly developed his character from the NXT rookie, to the up and coming mid carder to the snarky heel to Team Hell No to a viable main eventer to the most over guy in the company in the time frame the WWE gave him. Ryback and countless others could have done the same with their opportunities but did not or could not.


AT SOME POINT, you and everyone else has to acknowledge Bryan may have lucked up in getting over but his hard work and determination KEPT him over and that's why he's a level above the rest.

ryback was inaccurately booked.
which is why, he is mired where he is mired.
ryback never did anything wrong at all.

it really isn't a good comparison to mention, ryback.
ryback, del rio, barrett, cody/golddust, and a few others.
have all been booked inaccurately.
which stole their thunder and why they are where they are.

barrett, has a good chance to make it.
yet, once again....
his character lacks the key props/elements that could get him over.
which is not on him, it is on the booking and the writers.

del rio, is not over because a long time ago.
when, he won the rumble.
the book did not reward his original heel run properly.
they gave edge a send off save face mania win, after jobbing to Jericho at mania the previous year.
when, adr should have went over.

in wrasslin, sometimes you really only get one chance.
for guys like del rio, barrett, ryback, and a few others.
they have been victims of piss poor booking and it really is not on their watch why they are not over.
del rio, for instance.
just had his convinceability taken from him in one decision and he will never recover.

jack swagger is another guy who was booked inaccurately and the stain of that low quality of his eagle costume/whc run.
still kill his convincability, to this day.

which is all on creative and the wwe writer/booking staff and not the performer.



art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Whoa whoa slow down....crowd was dead because it was in Bama

If that shyt happend in a smark city the roof would have came off.

evolution got no reaction because evolution was not a high quality draw originally.
bama as a place had nuffin to do with it.
the problem was the show was centered around orton/steph/hhh/batista.
which has always garnered a non-reaction from crowds.

only reason they are atop the book is political semantics.

neither one of them, were never really over from actually working their way legitimately up the card.
they were just placed there with no actual plausible reasoning, or psychology to the booking.

case in point,..
hhh = shows up and does a staredown with taker, in a cutoff.
it really gets no reaction, and then is booked to take over the wwf.
plus supplant test in an angle with steph.
just because he is close to being the son-in-law.

he was never actually over, just inserted into a higher standing on the card.
same as evolution and their run that killed the last remnants of the boom audience, too.


art barr

 

[FreshAIG]

Yeah, you don't have to do corny shyt like use the tights or insult people's hometowns. You just have to have a bad attitude and hurt people that the crowd likes.

Look at Bray Wyatt. He's a great heel, but you don't see him insulting the local football team or some shyt.

Ehh Bray Wyatt gets cheered to much for me to consider him a great heel. He's okay.

 

[FreshAIG]

Great heels can get fans to hate them even in an era when it's cool to cheer bad guys

That's why nobody should ever question Triple H's ability to be a heel. He always can get fans to hate him. And he does it by using tactics JR said. Now HHH has fallen into the trap of trying to one up the faces and be too cool at times, but he still knows how to be an old school heel with the best of them when he wants to be.

 

[FreshAIG]

Orton tries to be a great heel and does all the right things, only problem is the fans just tend to not care about him. I don't know if they see him too much as a pretty boy, his promos are too bland or what, but they tend to not care more than hate him

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Take the yes chant away from Daniel Bryan and tell me what else does he have that gets him over.

He has no personality and he has no gimmick. There is nothing that makes Daniel Bryan unique. He is a regular joe who admittedly said in plain english that even he doesn't believe he's at where he's at right now... and you could tell because each and every time he's in that ring being showered with yes chants he has the look of someone who's not entirely comfortable. He's said as much himself.

Bryan - through no fault of his own - was given a shortcut to the big stage because the fans put him there. And that's cool and all but you have to ask yourself WHAT did this guy really do to earn their love like that. Because at the end of the day he's still the same Daniel Bryan he was 2 years ago only now he has a chant.

So what changed.

Nothing.

I'll tell you what happened. A smark crowd felt robbed because their indie darling got squashed at Mania, and so in a sign of rebelliousness they got behind him the following night and began the yes chant. And then like sheep, other audiences followed because they thought it looked like fun. And so before you know it, the yes chant is the most over thing in the company... but it just so HAPPENS to be attached to Daniel Bryan. Thus giving people the illusion that he's a sort of people's champion.

But if you took that chant away, what else is there about that character to get behind?

Nothing.

From Daniel Bryan himself, "The yes chant isn't about anything."

Even he knows it.

Fans these days just want to get themselves over and chant.

I will say without the chant Daniel Bryan would have maxed out at the Chris Benoit level. But the YES! chant put him over the top and made people pay attention to him. Now, he could drop the chant, never use it again and suffer nothing for it. He's made it.

And will you idiots PLEASE STOP SAYING WWE TRIED TO "GIVE PEOPLE" OR "SO AND SO STOLE" BRYAN'S YES! CHANT?! The FANS chanted YES! at those superstars. They weren't begging for it. It's like saying boring heels are stealing Austin's heat when fans chant WHAT?! at them.