Joe Biden’s brilliant critique of Medicare for all has made me rethink my position

[storyteller]

and the country with a comparable population size is....?

take note that your answer should be a country who has 500,000-1 million people showing up at a border expecting to be taken in every year, who bring little to nothing to the table when it comes to paying for their share of healthcare costs.

I definitely think it would be naive to believe we can plot out M4A for 330 million people without any hiccups that will require adjustments along the way (just like any other policy though which is why I don't think this is a great argument tbh) but that also makes 500,000 - 1 million additional people a relatively small and manageable number...an increase by 1/330th on the high end or 1/660th on the low end isn't gonna break any system and if you're concerned about the amount they contribute then a path to citizenship seems like a smart way to get those contributions up doesn't it?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

it seems to be more like 50 million canada, your nordic countries. no one is envious of japan's healthcare system

and i don't think you wanna tout japan while simultaneously projecting that i only want a homogenous country

I read your article and it’s not an indictment of Japan’s healthcare system, what the fukk are you talking about? What did you just google “Japan healthcare problems” or something?

The Japanese healthcare system ranks 10th in the world by the WHO, btw. The US is 37.

From your article...

• The most urgent strain and challenge for the healthcare system is the rapidly ageing population, paired with the low birthrate, and stringent immigration control; all contributing to a high imbalance between non-contributing healthcare users and healthy healthcare payers.

Now think about that in relation to the anti-single payer argument you’re making for the US.

 

[the cac mamba]

Let's ask the multiple beggars i have to walk by everyday on the street. I think they're jealous of it.

the fukk do they care? they just show up at the ER and get it off the backs of other people

 

[the cac mamba]

I definitely think it would be naive to believe we can plot out M4A for 330 million people without any hiccups that will require adjustments along the way (just like any other policy though which is why I don't think this is a great argument tbh) but that also makes 500,000 - 1 million additional people a relatively small and manageable number...an increase by 1/330th on the high end or 1/660th on the low end isn't gonna break any system and if you're concerned about the amount they contribute then a path to citizenship seems like a smart way to get those contributions up doesn't it?

nah, not really. i don't think a mass of low-skilled people makes a meaningful contribution to healthcare costs vs the healthcare they require themselves

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

Honestly we dont even need m4a just do a public option, so morons like cac mamba can keep his private company insurance and so he can make sure the mexicans cant have it

 

[storyteller]

nah, not really. i don't think a mass of low-skilled people makes a meaningful contribution to healthcare costs vs the healthcare they require themselves

So you're just guessing then?

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

the fukk do they care? they just show up at the ER and get it off the backs of other people

And a government solution would save us a ton of money in that regard.

 

[the cac mamba]

I read your article and it’s not an indictment of Japan’s healthcare system, what the fukk are you talking about? What did you just google “Japan healthcare problems” or something?

The Japanese healthcare system ranks 10th in the world by the WHO, btw. The US is 37.

From your article...

• The most urgent strain and challenge for the healthcare system is the rapidly ageing population, paired with the low birthrate, and stringent immigration control; all contributing to a high imbalance between non-contributing healthcare users and healthy healthcare payers.

Now think about that in relation to the anti-single payer argument you’re making for the US.

my argument is pretty simple; this government cannot even pave a road without going over budget every city and state that's worth a shyt is in debt trying to provide services to its citizens. i see the exact same thing happening if they try to implement healthcare

 

[Secure Da Bag]

my focus was not on immigration, it was a supplementary point. what you're doing right now is lying

and the country with a comparable population size is....?

take note that your answer should be a country who has 500,000-1 million people showing up at a border expecting to be taken in every year, who bring little to nothing to the table when it comes to paying for their share of healthcare costs.

i think the sheer amount of people you have to take care of will eventually outpace the scale when it comes to the money you have to spread around. especially if you have 500,000-1 million people showing up at the border every year who do not contribute their share of healthcare costs. not because they're bad people, but because the poor just do not by the hard numbers

you can't point to a single country that's anywhere near 330 million people, and does not have a strict immigration policy, that effectively offers universal healthcare to everyone. and that's not my opinion.

except i talked about size, numbers, and immigration numbers. not that mexicans are tan and swedes burn in the sun

can you guys discuss this shyt without getting emotional?

But your focus was on immigration and you basically said, "we're full" as part of your argument. The U.S. having 330M people is irrelevant to the conversation as M4A could cover all of those people. And be honest, you'd make the same argument if there were 30M people in the U.S. You think illegal immigration will break M4A or any type of universal healthcare.

am i allowed to question the idea that the US government can effectively provide medicare for all to 330 million people? or is anyone who questions that just a conservative! republican! trump voter! racist!

?

You're also allowed to tell us why you don't think the U.S. can't provide M4A for 330M people. Just them, leave the immigrants out of it for now.

As you can see, I gave you the opportunity to explain why the U.S. couldn't support 330M people and you dodged it. Again, feel free to leave immigration out of the explanation for now.

 

[the cac mamba]

So you're just guessing then?

as opposed to what? you arent?

everyone in the fukkin thread is guessing. none of this is a reality yet, and you don;t have a same-size country to point to as an example

 

[the cac mamba]

As you can see, I gave you the opportunity to explain why the U.S. could support 330M people and you dodged it. Again, feel free to leave immigration out of the explanation for now.

what do you mean i dodged it? i DONT think it can support it

 

[Secure Da Bag]

what do you mean i dodged it? i DONT think it can support it

And EXPLAIN why.

 

[the cac mamba]

And a.government solution would save us a ton of money in that regard.

maybe it would and maybe the cost will end up being passed onto the taxpayer exclusively. and maybe, when healthcare is "free", they havent taken account of how many more people will start using services. which isn't a bad thing obviously, but from a financial standpoint

 

[the cac mamba]

And EXPLAIN why.

already did. scroll up

 

[Secure Da Bag]

my argument is pretty simple; this government cannot even pave a road without going over budget every city and state that's worth a shyt is in debt trying to provide services to its citizens. i see the exact same thing happening if they try to implement healthcare

So corporate greed is why M4A won't work? Interesting.