John Oliver goes in on The NCAA

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You don't know what I care about. Just because YOU don't, you can't assume everyone else doesn't. Especially since I played collegiate sports as a walk-on and actively saw shyt like this going down.

There's no reason for there to be an enterprise where people generate billions off of what they physically do, and reason little to no compensation. None.

You speaking about what universities generate outside of sports means nothing because students can get paid off of their likeness whenever they want. Athletes can't. A student can write a paper or discover something intellectually, and if someone wants to pay them for their autograph it's okay. Athletes can't. If a student wanted to work full-time while at school for their future job, they could. An athlete can't just play and keep their collegiate status and many coaches bar athletes from even holding jobs.

So stop comparing the two because they are NOT the same.
i only noticed this problem with your grivance:

Reform the system to allow people to get student jobs of some sort with very strict limitations to prevent outside corruption with shyt like someone getting paid to chop fire wood and ending up with 500k in their account. :beli:

I also think the whole "getting paid off your likeness" argument is more tricky. If a regular student ends up in a brochure advertising the school, do they get compensation for that too? Its not that easy to clarify. Personally i edge towards compensation but I'm not so sure its a good idea. Do only big schools get them?

These arguments are often held among those who are failed athletes themselves (tried to go pro) and want to wish they could have been compensated for not making better use of their time.

You may feel cheated but in no way does the degree you should have prepared for need to be cheapened with your inability to structure your time and weigh your priorities. Some go to school to get an education and others go to get a degree. You chose to do the former. Don't be selfish because you didn't embrace the latter.
 

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i only noticed this problem with your grivance:

Reform the system to allow people to get student jobs of some sort with very strict limitations to prevent outside corruption with shyt like someone getting paid to chop fire wood and ending up with 500k in their account. :beli:

I also think the whole "getting paid off your likeness" argument is more tricky. If a regular student ends up in a brochure advertising the school, do they get compensation for that too? Its not that easy to clarify. Personally i edge towards compensation but I'm not so sure its a good idea. Do only big schools get them?

These arguments are often held among those who are failed athletes themselves (tried to go pro) and want to wish they could have been compensated for not making better use of their time.

You may feel cheated but in no way does the degree you should have prepared for need to be cheapened with your inability to structure your time and weigh your priorities. Some go to school to get an education and others go to get a degree. You chose to do the former. Don't be selfish because you didn't embrace the latter.
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This nikka Napoleon worse then a republican argues for the status quo but doesnt have a good reason for it except just because.

I've explained my rationale at length.

I do not believe you are entitled to compensation because your amatuer sport is popular or that advertisers want to see your school play.

And I'm not a republican so miss me with that.

College is an academic facility with some students who engage in extracurricular activities. If you play a sport and someone else joins a club representing the university you don't get paid just because.

Deal with it.
 

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This has fukk-all to do with your ancestors.

I got a scholarship. Do I deserve to be paid for my hours of study?

No.

Deal with it.

Too bad. Football is popular. Thats just how it goes. If you wanna be paid, go get drafted :camby:

And SOME athletes get to do that by GOING PRO or GETTING AN EDUCATION

So?

Unless they're pro, then who cares?

Theres already a baseball minor league and an NBA one. and soccer ones

Now you want basketball players to be paid on top of that too? :heh:

Too. God. Damn. Bad.

A degree isn't a guarantee of success, but its a pretty strong indicator of being capable of reaching some additional goals, so if you chose to squander that, tough fukkign break.

I've never heard more athletes complain than those in basketball or football. Even the baseball ones tend to do alright. I never hear a word from the swimmers, track and field players, or any of the other ones who go unnamed but work JUST as hard.

I have friends and associates who played D1-D3 sports and a great many of them TOOK that free education and did very well for themselves afterwards.

I could not care less about the implications of this sentence.


I'm not jealous.

I just don't see why an amateur athlete wants more recognition than the chance to develop and refine his/her skills FOR FREE

Whats funny is that you talk shyt about the degree aspect, as if giving them money changes the fact that so many of them squander their education.

Ok...last response since I see you're completely irrational and can't compute the logic.

Using Tariq again, it's about the MONEY. With slavery, cacs quick to state that it was over 100 years ago, just let it go, we have no grounds for reparations.

The counter to that is, "Where's all the wealth that was generated from our ancestors?" That money didn't evaporate, there are people and companies rich this day from that free labor. This is where the beef is with slavery and reparations.

Cracka no you didn't own slaves but...The money earned from slavery is still feeding you. Still making you wealth.

****Breaks into a holy ghost dance****

Where is the coin.....my nikka.....

We're in a race called Race, and we're losing my dude. We can't afford to give freebies. These athletes are working in the fields and massa is paying them with a "chance" to one day own a farm like him. Knowing dayum well the odds are stacked against them. So massa is getting free money.

Bringing it back, the money earned from these football and basketball players, it isn't evaporating either. Who's spending and getting rich from it?

As a black man fighting white supremacy, you're Ok with GIVING AWAY these millions of dollars? We're in no position too.

Like a pimp buying his hoes clothes and trinkets but not giving them their money. ...that's b.s.

This may not be for you, because you're allowing your bias to cloud your logic. So it's for anyone else reading this.
 

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I'm used to having opinions that are unpopular but you all are being really stubborn AND SELECTIVE with respect to what sports "deserve" compensation (hint: it's all or nothing) and even further are neglecting to respect the inherent spirit and value of amateur development.

You want a job? Go pro (or minor league)

You want a degree? Go to college.

Reform the system... But leave these half assed arguments at home man. College sports have become a major enterprise. We all know this. But what has never changed was EARNING your spot in the pros.
 

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i only noticed this problem with your grivance:

Reform the system to allow people to get student jobs of some sort with very strict limitations to prevent outside corruption with shyt like someone getting paid to chop fire wood and ending up with 500k in their account. :beli:

I also think the whole "getting paid off your likeness" argument is more tricky. If a regular student ends up in a brochure advertising the school, do they get compensation for that too? Its not that easy to clarify. Personally i edge towards compensation but I'm not so sure its a good idea. Do only big schools get them?

These arguments are often held among those who are failed athletes themselves (tried to go pro) and want to wish they could have been compensated for not making better use of their time.

You may feel cheated but in no way does the degree you should have prepared for need to be cheapened with your inability to structure your time and weigh your priorities. Some go to school to get an education and others go to get a degree. You chose to do the former. Don't be selfish because you didn't embrace the latter.

You're so misguided when it comes to this subject that it's insane. You seriously just compared a student in a brochure to an athlete being on the cover of a video game generating millions in sales.

:kobefacepalm:
 

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Ok...last response since I see you're completely irrational and can't compute the logic.

Using Tariq again, it's about the MONEY. With slavery, cacs quick to state that it was over 100 years ago, just let it go, we have no grounds for reparations.

The counter to that is, "Where's all the wealth that was generated from our ancestors?" That money didn't evaporate, there are people and companies rich this day from that free labor. This is where the beef is with slavery and reparations.

Cracka no you didn't own slaves but...The money earned from slavery is still feeding you. Still making you wealth.

****Breaks into a holy ghost dance****

Where is the coin.....my nikka.....

We're in a race called Race, and we're losing my dude. We can't afford to give freebies. These athletes are working in the fields and massa is paying them with a "chance" to one day own a farm like him. Knowing dayum well the odds are stacked against them. So massa is getting free money.

Bringing it back, the money earned from these football and basketball players, it isn't evaporating either. Who's spending and getting rich from it?

As a black man fighting white supremacy, you're Ok with GIVING AWAY these millions of dollars? We're in no position too.

Like a pimp buying his hoes clothes and trinkets but not giving them their money. ...that's b.s.

This may not be for you, because you're allowing your bias to cloud your logic. So it's for anyone else reading this.
Black athletes aren't the only people that exist.

So let's move beyond this sorry ass attempt at bringing race into this shyt. Blacks dominate the biggest pro sports anyways. So nothing changes.

Moving forward...you are exhibiting the height of arrogance if you really think these college players are going to make significant amounts of money in college.

Here's a hint.

They won't make shyt. And they don't deserve more than any work-study student makes. And they'll definitely make no more than entry level rookie pro contracts. Bet that. Probably not even a fraction of that.

Don't bump your dusty gums at me talking about black empowerment then denigrating the value of a degree either.
 

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If you want to call them student athletes who are amateurs, then stop marketing them to corporations and general population in a way that creates demand for them. The idea of promoting amateur athletics is in itself hypocrisy, let alone in a way that allows you to profit from their name and likeness.
 

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You're so misguided when it comes to this subject that it's insane. You seriously just compared a student in a brochure to an athlete being on the cover of a video game generating millions in sales.

:kobefacepalm:
What's the difference?

Do they both not sign documents granting the university access to their image in any official documentation?

And the video game situation in my eyes should use generic players.
 

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If you want to call them student athletes who are amateurs, then stop marketing them to corporations and general population in a way that creates demand for them. The idea of promoting amateur athletics is in itself hypocrisy, let alone in a way that allows you to profit from their name and likeness.
This is another flawed argument

"Stop making basketball so attractive!"

:mjlol:

Advertisers care because people are invested in these sports. That's it. The nature of the game doesn't change.

These aren't pros. I'm sorry your delusions have to be readjusted
 

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This is another flawed argument

"Stop making basketball so attractive!"

:mjlol:

Advertisers care because people are invested in these sports. That's it. The nature of the game doesn't change.

These aren't pros. I'm sorry your delusions have to be readjusted

There is a difference between being a student athlete and being an amateur and it's about time we started treating it as such. If I am a draw, ill make you more money, so I should be compensated fairly, period. Ditch the amateur and keep the student athlete.
 

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Black athletes aren't the only people that exist.

So let's move beyond this sorry ass attempt at bringing race into this shyt. Blacks dominate the biggest pro sports anyways. So nothing changes.

Moving forward...you are exhibiting the height of arrogance if you really think these college players are going to make significant amounts of money in college.

Here's a hint.

They won't make shyt. And they don't deserve more than any work-study student makes. And they'll definitely make no more than entry level rookie pro contracts. Bet that. Probably not even a fraction of that.

Don't bump your dusty gums at me talking about black empowerment then denigrating the value of a degree either.

Respond one more time to your soccer playing dot-forehead, bytch ass...

Clemson, ranked #23 in the country for top dollar earning colleges brought in 39.5 million the year surveyed. From FOOTBALL.

You're telling us a student athlete should have no right to this money they generated? nikka go such a llamas dikk!!!

You're trying to tell me the stars on that team don't deserve more than 500 a month or :scust:semester. You're not a dumb smart nikka...you're a dumb dumb nikka!

This policy is the way it is because brehs would be in college sports galore and building money and wealth and them cacs can't have that.

Clemson, number 23, brought in 39.5 million dollars in a year. From football alone
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-...ege-football-2013-1#23-clemson--395-million-3

You're right, this conversation is over. You aren't bright or honest enough to have it.

Oh, and fukk a degree when you have the skill set to earn millions off rip.
 
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