Jon Stewart interviews State Senator Nathan Dahm (R-OK) on America's gun problem. Absolute masterclass (8:27)

[Remote]

The anti gun side should just be honest and say they want to ban guns completely.

People that use guns to commit violence don’t two fukks about laws and regulation.

Responsible gun owners time and again bear the burden of criminals.

Regardless of the moral panic against guns (Coli liberals never seem to blame the people that use guns) I’m not giving up my rights to ownership and support all laws that make it easier for law abiding people to protect themselves and their property.

Ah yes.

I've heard this argument before.

The old "people will break laws so we shouldn't bother making laws" crowd.

A goofy, but persistent argument.

 

[Dipsey Doo]

Ah yes.

I've heard this argument before.

The old "people will break laws so we shouldn't bother making laws" crowd.

A goofy, but persistent argument.

Yet your side can’t ever argue that point and can only deflect and use insults

 

[Vandelay]

Ban all guns today and the number one killer of black males 35 and under would still be firearms….

That’s how I know this forum is not filled black people.

By and large, most guns used in crimes are legally obtained. There's no epidemic of gun shipments being stolen or even people making their own guns. The guns are bought legally and then resold or procured. There needs to be more accountability on who buys the guns and when the guns go missing. There should also be limits on how many you buy at one time.

If you do these things, gun violence won't stop but it will decrease as guns attrit out of the black market.

I own 4 guns myself and don't want them banned, because I do believe I have a right to protect myself.

 

[chineebai]

Ether

 

[Eternally Jaded]

I can understand not believing anything would stop gun violence,

but that doesn't explain why you would be against trying to stop it. or worse ,as this senator is doing ,supporting measures that would actually essentially increase gun violence.

All they gotta do is make it more lucrative to turn them in than own them.

Buybacks.

You got a clutch of guns(legal/illegal) stashed in the back of a closet or safe worth several thousand dollars?

Even if Mr"i got the 2nd amendment tattooed on my chest" hee haw gun owner didn't want to, his wife will brow beat him into selling them back to the government so they can redo the bathroom. Or floors. Or get an expansion on the house. Or get that new car they need.

Or whatever. He'd go from fifteen or thirty firearms to like three.

People find stolen guns, they'll turn them in for money.

Make the loss worth more than the owning and see how quickly things change.

 

[Remote]

Yet your side can’t ever argue that point and can only deflect and use insults

What do you mean?
There are tons of evidence that fewer guns and more gun controls lead to fewer deaths by guns.

You know what that evidence is?
Every other country on earth.

 

[Cakebatter]

The only thing that would stop gun violence is to criminalize gun ownership. Make owning a gun, illegal. Period. Impossible to do at this point of course, but that’s the only thing that would curb gun violence and mass shootings. So since we can’t just snap our fingers and make guns illegal, we have to deal with a gun happy society. Welcome to America

This is a long post of foolishness, strawmen and gaslighting.

Point out the falsehoods....I'll wait.

 

[Dipsey Doo]

What do you mean?
There are tons of evidence that fewer guns and more gun controls lead to fewer deaths by guns.

You know what that evidence is?
Every other country on earth.

Take out guns, people would find another way to harm each other like the UK with knives.

Humans have been violent towards each other since the beginning of time. No amount of legislation can slow it down or stop it.

I’ll take my chances with the 2nd Amendment

 

[FlyGuy]

By and large, most guns used in crimes are legally obtained. There's no epidemic of gun shipments being stolen or even people making their own guns. The guns are bought legally and then resold or procured. There needs to be more accountability on who buys the guns and when the guns go missing. There should also be limits on how many you buy at one time.

If you do these things, gun violence won't stop but it will decrease as guns attrit out of the black market.

I own 4 guns myself and don't want them banned, because I do believe I have a right to protect myself.

If people who bought the gun had to bring their registered gun every year to a check-in they’d be a lot more careful with their guns. If people had to do some shyt every year with their gun dependent on regulation a lot of these parents who get their guns taken by their kids would be keeping better track of their shyt

 

[Remote]

The majority of gun deaths are suicides (Well over 50%). If you magically removed all guns, suicide rates wouldn't change. Cops can't even own guns in Japan, yet the suicide rate there is one of the highest in the world. The majority of gun related homicides are actually drug and gang related. Those homicides nearly all occur in cities with high levels of gun regulation. What John Stewart is really talking about is white people homicides, not deaths that occur in black neighborhoods, otherwise the whole, "More commonsense regulation" falls flat on its face. By 1997 UK banned nearly all private gun ownership and overall crime and homicides did not drop. Folks simply switched to knives. Now the UK is pushing for more regulation of knives. UK TV is full of anti-knife commercials for teens.

On the flip, more guns does not equal more safety. The number of road rage deaths in TX is a perfect example. Most illegal gun ownership is due to straw purchases, where someone goes to a gun shop and buys guns for the purpose of selling or giving to someone who legally can't purchase one. The NRA and gun community refuse to address the subject. The NRA is pro cop and pro gun manufacturers/retailers. They don't give a damn about average gun owners. So the NRA could easily advocate to reduce straw purchases, but they won't as it takes money out of the gun industries pockets.

I just want an honest debate. John Stewart looked stupid when the other guy said that Fentanyl deaths are greater than gun deaths. Remove suicides and gun homicides aren't even close to the number one cause of preventable deaths. I can think of far more legit reasons to own a gun than the right to drink alcohol, and alcohol related deaths are far higher. Drunk driving deaths alone are probably on par or greater than gun related homicides. The Uvalde Incident proved to me that we cannot rely on law enforcement, as they have ZERO legal obligation to save or help you when in need. SCOTUS stated thus in Castlerock vs Gonzalez case. The average pro-gun person is waaaaay too pro law enforcement, despite law enforcement will be the ones to confiscate guns, like they did in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina. Overall, I'm pro gun, but the public discourse is way off base 99% of the time by both sides. John Stewart simply needs to look up who the previous school shooters were and notice that they all had mental problems and were known by either local law enforcement or the FBI to be a threat.

1. Why are you talking about suicides? That wasn't mentioned in the video. Also, fewer guns would lead to fewer suicides by guns. Nobody is suggesting all suicides would be eliminated if we got rid of all guns. So that was stupid.

2. Where the homicides occurs has nothing to do with taking steps to reduce gun violence. People want to see gun violence reduced EVERYWHERE. Whether it's in a city or in a rural town. So that was stupid.

3. You keep mentioning this argument that "X-place took measures and there is still violence". So what does that have to do with reducing gun violence? There will still be issues, but you still take action to mitigate them. So that was stupid.

4. You just want an honest debate. Of course you do. That's why you just whataboutism'ed this into "but but but THE ALCOHOLS!...




Goofy, foolish and disingenuous posting.
Like I said.

 

[Remote]

Take out guns, people would find another way to harm each other like the UK with knives.

Humans have been violent towards each other since the beginning of time. No amount of legislation can slow it down or stop it.

I’ll take my chances with the 2nd Amendment

Which says in it's very own language, the word REGULATED.

 

[Remote]

Take out guns, people would find another way to harm each other like the UK with knives.

Humans have been violent towards each other since the beginning of time. No amount of legislation can slow it down or stop it.

I’ll take my chances with the 2nd Amendment

I'd be very curious if you could point out all those UK instances of a classroom a children wiped out by a butterfly knife.

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

Comedians are in a unique position to press their interview subjects and actually be journalists because they have secondary skills and funds to be able to build their own platforms independently.

Regular journalists won't press their subjects like that and ask questions that reveal what they really think because they fear a loss of access to those subjects in the future and reduced funding. The corporate ownership of journalism has made the American public objectively more stupid and watching mainstream news can actually make you LESS informed than if you went on to a Wikipedia page and learned about the topics yourself.

 

[Dipsey Doo]

I'd be very curious if you could point out all those UK instances of a classroom a children wiped out by a butterfly knife.

Not the UK but Japan:

Ikeda school massacre - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Remote]

Comedians are in a unique position to press their interview subjects and actually be journalists because they have secondary skills and funds to be able to build their own platforms independently.

Regular journalists won't press their subjects like that and ask questions that reveal what they really think because they fear a loss of access to those subjects in the future and reduced funding. The corporate ownership of journalism has made the American public objectively more stupid and watching mainstream news can actually make you LESS informed than if you went on to a Wikipedia page and learned about the topics yourself.

This is a bit off topic but you could make a thread about the impact that the way corporations manage news divisions, and the profit motive, has destroyed the country.