Just a Thought on Pastors in the Black Community - From Personal Experiences

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I'm not trying to start up a religious debate or anything of the sort. I just wanted to get this off of my chest and it being Sunday, I found right now the perfect time.
As I've mentioned here before, I am an unbeliever. I don't prefer to use the word atheist for personal reasons. The details of my views of religion and the church are insignificant to the topic. I wasn't always an unbeliever though. In years past, I was a former minister of music and a minister in training. I was being trained to become a preacher. I've preached through music and I've preached from the pulpit in my early to mid 20's. I did that for 9 years before I turned away from god and the church. I've seen the inner workings of the church from a position of leadership. I've seen it's benefits and I've seen it's many downfalls.

Black pastors make so much money from these churches. I sat under my former pastor for many years. I learned from him. He worked a day job making $55K a year. But the money he received from tithes and offering every Sunday equated to $70K annually. I know. My mother was the church's secretary and treasurer. I got paid $600 a month for leading the music ministry and I would also be gifted $200 every 3rd Sunday when I would preach. For Conventions, I would be gifted $500 for preaching Saturday Youth Nights. I was never in it for the money though. There are many other positions I held that I refused pay from: Youth Sunday School teacher, Bible Study Teacher, Vacation Bible School Leader. All of these I did for free. I did it for the love of building the kingdom of god.

But back to the pastor. $55K plus the $70K he would get from the church equaled $120K. Add on his wife being a guidance counselor with a masters degree making I believe $65K and you have a total of $185K from both of them combined. And don't get it twisted. This was no mega church. This was a mid sized church of some 100-110 members. I remember when Covid hit in 2020 and he was trying to do everything in his power to keep the doors of the church open. I thought it was his commitment to god and the ministry. Nah, it was his greed. He didn't want the church to shut down because he would inevitably lose members and thus, his income would drastically decrease. He fought tooth and nail trying to get people to come to the church despite protocols asking being to stay indoors. This a$$hole. Begging people to risk their health for his personal gain. He lives in a mansion in a beautiful suburb. Has 4 vehicles, one of which he just bought last year. He has it made.

Sometimes man, I sit here and look at the state of my life. I'm not struggling by any means. We are an upper middle class family of 4. But I sit and wonder what if I would've stayed in that church and became an eventual pastor. The amount of money I could make would be crazy. Y'all already know I sing and make music. I'm charismatic, a thinker and I know the Bible because I was raised in it. Even if I lost my belief in god, a part me wishes I would've stayed just for the money. But my conscious wouldn't let me. I don't think I could live comfortably knowing I'm living lavishly off the backs of my people. Working class people. Spreading lies of false hope and promises over the pulpit. Feeding hollow words of encouragements every week just to get people happy enough to dance, shout and throw their hard earned money in the offering bucket so I could take half of it for my own selfish gain. Making the poor and down trotted men and women feel guilty for not giving up their money to the church. For not sacrificing giving their rent money to the church. Not trusting that god would make a way for them. Its a science. Give your bill money to the lord and he'll take care of those bills for you if your faith is strong enough. I almost lost power to my crib one month because I stupidly gave up my power bill money to the church in hopes that god would honor my sacrifice. Had to take on extra hours at work to make up for that shyt.

I saw it every week. Struggling single moms, tithing 10% of their income to the church, struggling to pay their bills. Struggling to clothe their children. Giving that money to the church believing that this god would bless them. What does a perfect god need with money? Why would it even care about a man made construct? These are the questions I wondered. It's not about the money, I would tell myself. He cares about your faith and willingness to part with it in service to him. Bullshyt. I was tithing too. Giving 10% of my money to the church plus an offering. I never understood that shyt but it was sinful not to do it. So, like many other black people, I gave it away without proper understanding as to why.

I know where tithing comes from scripturally but its still bullshyt. If the church would take that money and actually circulate it back into the black communities, we would be lightyears ahead of where we are now as a people. But church leaders are men at the end of the day and men are filled with greed and a lust for power.

That's all.
 

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the black community would be in a much better state if the numerous churches were replaced by community centers with counseling resources, job training, mediators, financial advisors, life-skills training courses and bingo nights etc.
 
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the black community would be in a much better state if the numerous churches were replaced by community centers with counseling resources, job training, mediators, financial advisors, life-skills training and bingo nights etc.
I see what you're saying. I wouldn't go that far saying the churches should be replaced. While I do not agree with the religious organizations or their book of myths, I do understand that our people are a spiritual people and need a place to go express that spirituality. There are many churches who do good in their communities as well. I do not judge them all the same.
 

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I’m a believer. I won’t debate it because I understand why some folks feel otherwise. However I will say this I notice a lot of folks don’t read their bibles because if they did most of these “churches” wouldn’t have followers. Black folks are out here struggling as a whole and we believe more than anyone. It’s sad. I don’t do church but he dwells in me .. that is all.
 

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Pac laid it out here and it was so refreshing to hear someone think the same way as I did back then. You bring this topic up with most people and just point out the logic and watch how emotionally they react because the truth is so obvious. Why on earth (or heaven for that matter) would you need an intermediary to access your divinity? Never made sense to me.

Add to that one who charges for access? GTFO. I know a protection racket when I see one and religion is the ultimate hustle that claims billions as it offers ignorance dressed as wisdom for a percentage of your income.
 

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I ain't read all what you typed but if pac grew up with his pops and was in the church, the nikka would still be alive today.:hubie:


Pac laid it out here and it was so refreshing to hear someone think the same way as I did back then. You bring this topic up with most people and just point out the logic and watch how emotionally they react because the truth is so obvious. Why on earth (or heaven for that matter) would you need an intermediary to access your divinity? Never made sense to me.

Add to that one who charges for access? GTFO. I know a protection racket when I see one and religion is the ultimate hustle that claims billions as it offers ignorance dressed as wisdom for a percentage of your income.
 

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How did you from apprentice Minister/ Director of Music to "I don't believe myths"?
happens more than you think. I heard of active pastors who had done nothing but preach for 10 or 20+ years who became agonistic or atheist but were too scared to stop preaching since thats the only thng they had on their resume.
 

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the church is supposed to use the money to raise up the poor and keep bread for common people

if they are not doing that they are not a house you should worship in. Dont envy the pastor and dont look at your past decision with a wish that you could do it different. God purposed you to go through all of that and the flipside to those events for all you know could have been terrible...we dont know and may never

that said dont consider your relationship to God based on what you perceive materially
 

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You sounding like a jealous bytch over 70k a year lololol, bro just learn to code

nikka i don't even go to church (or pay tithes by extension) because I don't see it as necessary to faith, but this was pathetic. That tithing money keeps your church's lights on and if they're worth a fukk it actually goes into the community via charities, youth activities and scholarships for the kids.
 

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Anyone who’s ever read the New Testament would know what time these pastors are on.


Luke 20:24-25 “Show me a denarius. Whose image and inscription are on it” “Caesar’s,” they replied. Then render unto Caesar…”

“As Jesus looked up, he saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury.(B)2 He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. 3 “Truly I tell you,” he said, “this poor widow has put in more than all the others. 4 All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”

“As he taught, he said, 'Beware of the scribes, who like to walk around in long robes, and to be greeted with respect in the market-places, and to have the best seats in the synagogues and places of honour at banquets!”
 

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the black community would be in a much better state if the numerous churches were replaced by community centers with counseling resources, job training, mediators, financial advisors, life-skills training courses and bingo nights etc.
Who's going to pay for all of this :lupe:
 
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