Just Blaze and Kanye West ran parallel but just Blaze sample flips were way better

[TheDarceKnight]

I always liked Just Blaze production a little bit more that Ye's during that period. His drums were just harder and overall better. His scratching on Just Blaze, Bleek, and Free was godly. Listen to those damn drums.


He could do so many styles flawlessly. He's helmed the production on the majority of at least 2 personal classic albums IMO (Freeway-Philadelphia Freeway, Saigon-The Greatest Story Never Told)


The way he blended in Enemies and Friends right after one another on TGSNT was cinematic.

Just Blaze could score a movie easily.

Yo at the time when Just did the beat for Touch the Sky, no one was able to figure out how he slowed the sample down without fukking with the pitch...

It's a pretty straightforward flip of the sample, but I always thought that was a great example of some simple shyt done very well.



I also liked how Just Blaze would use his own voice in the samples (it's him saying Breathe in the Fabolous joint, and it's his voice on these other beats too.) The way Welcome to NY City has no samples in it?

 

[Monoblock]

The original version of The Champ was my shyt. I hate they couldn't clear all of those samples but man that shyt was sick.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

The original version of The Champ was my shyt. I hate they couldn't clear all of those samples but man that shyt was sick.

I thought I was the only one who liked the original sampled unpolished version with the Rocky and Let's do it Again dialogue better than the replayed album version.

 

[Monoblock]

I thought I was the only one who liked the original sampled unpolished version with the Rocky and Let's do it Again dialogue better than the replayed album version.

I think I still have the advance version of Fishscale with th OG version. Always liked it better and how they placed the sample. The retail was more polished but I didnt like it all that much.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

I think I still have the advance version of Fishscale with th OG version. Always liked it better and how they placed the sample. The retail was more polished but I didnt like it all that much.

yeah. Sometimes replaying a sample and polishing up the sound doesn't always make it better.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

yeah. Sometimes replaying a sample and polishing up the sound doesn't always make it better.

Yep. IMO most of the time it actually makes it sound worse.

Sticking with the thread topic, one example where it actually doesn't sound bad is Last Call by Kanye West. Evidence made the beat and the sample didn't clear, so Kanye had John Legend sing the "Mr. Rockefeller" part and had some people re-play the sample.

If you listen to the sample vs the final song, you can tell if you listen close that the vocal sample isn't the same. John Legend keeps the R off the end of "Mr. Rocafella."

 

[MurderToCassette]

He arguably took Bink's sound from 1-900 Hustler and You Me Him Her and did it better than Bink ever did.

Funny cause he started out imitating Swizz on the joints he did for Half-A-Mill and Busta, then he switched to the chopped soul sound. Buckwild also left Roc management cause his samples were getting bit from from his beat tapes (like the Tom Brock joint that ended up being Girls, Girls, Girls) and then they ended up on The Blueprint.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Funny cause he started out imitating Swizz on the joints he did for Half-A-Mill and Busta, then he switched to the chopped soul sound. Buckwild also left Roc management cause his samples were getting bit from from his beat tapes (like the Tom Brock joint that ended up being Girls, Girls, Girls) and then they ended up on The Blueprint.

I think Just Blaze is dope, but he's been stealing samples for a long time. Remember when Black Moon came out with Stay Real(a sample that was also used as an interlude on OC's debut) . A year later Just Blaze uses the same sample on PSA. When confronted about it, he says that he hasn't listened to black Moon since Enta the stage or someting, but he produced tracks on Buckshot's solo in 99. He used the same sample Primo did for Rage for Beanie. The same sample Cormega used on his shelved album for 'Breathe Easy' for Jay. It's not that he's using the same samples because that happens, but he's flipping them the same way lol. He's still dope, but that nikka will jack your sample and throw a bigger artist on it. I never heard about the Buckwild situation, but I believe it

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Funny cause he started out imitating Swizz on the joints he did for Half-A-Mill and Busta, then he switched to the chopped soul sound. Buckwild also left Roc management cause his samples were getting bit from from his beat tapes (like the Tom Brock joint that ended up being Girls, Girls, Girls) and then they ended up on The Blueprint.

I never knew that exact story about Buckwild. That's crazy.

I also remember Alchemist doing a lot of soul sample flips on HNIC and some other albums. And he was doing some Blueprint sessions, and this was during the Mobb/Nas and Jay feud, where Alchemist was starting to be their go-to producer, and Jay told him that he was "playing for the wrong team."

Just Blaze did have a couple soul sample joints before Blueprint. Soon You'll Understand for Jay and Diamond for Prodigy come to mind.

I had no idea about Buckwild saying his shyt got jacked. Buckwild had some fire at that time too.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I think Just Blaze is dope, but he's been stealing samples for a long time. Remember when Black Moon came out with Stay Real(a sample that was also used as an interlude on OC's debut) . A year later Just Blaze uses the same sample on PSA. When confronted about it, he says that he hasn't listened to black Moon since Enta the stage or someting, but he produced tracks on Buckshot's solo in 99. He used the same sample Primo did for Rage for Beanie. The same sample Cormega used on his shelved album for 'Breathe Easy' for Jay. It's not that he's using the same samples because that happens, but he's flipping them the same way lol. He's still dope, but that nikka will jack your sample and throw a bigger artist on it. I never heard about the Buckwild situation, but I believe it

It wasn't even that long breh. It was like a month. It was Black Moon's single too.

I remember an old audio interview (almost like a podcast before podcasts) where Just Blaze said he swore that he was leaving Bassline Studios literally the day after he made P.S.A. and there was a grab bag of CDs, and he picked up the Black Moon album. And he said he heard Stay Real in the car and thought, "Everyone is going to think I stole this sample from them."



Oh yeah, this happened too.

prod. Just (I can;t find it normal speed)


prod. Alchemist


prod. Alchemist


prod. Just

 

[Monoblock]

It wasn't even that long breh. It was like a month. It was Black Moon's single too.

I remember an old audio interview (almost like a podcast before podcasts) where Just Blaze said he swore that he was leaving Bassline Studios literally the day after he made P.S.A. and there was a grab bag of CDs, and he picked up the Black Moon album. And he said he heard Stay Real in the car and thought, "Everyone is going to think I stole this sample from them."



Oh yeah, this happened too.

prod. Just (I can;t find it normal speed)


prod. Alchemist


prod. Alchemist


prod. Just

Wow I never knew this. JB grimey for this shyt if he willingly took these samples from finished songs he heard beforehand.

 

[Standing on business]

Wow I never knew this. JB grimey for this shyt.

Eh I listened and thought nothing of it, we can do that with a lot of flipped samples if we're being honest. That's the game you play with sampling. Imagine how many SoundCloud producers or producers who submitted beats back in the day got their samples took. And it was nothing they can do about it either since they didn't compose the original material.

 

[Monoblock]

Eh I listened and thought nothing of it, we can do that with a lot of flipped samples if we're being honest. That's the game you play with sampling. Imagine how many SoundCloud producers or producers who submitted beats back in the day got their samples took. And it was nothing they can do about it either since they didn't compose the original material.

That's true that sometimes the same samples get used and I guess we'll never really know. Might really be a coincidence but if it is that's a hell of a coincidence.

 

[Standing on business]

That's true that sometimes the same samples get used and I guess we'll never really know. Might really be a coincidence but if it is that's a hell of a coincidence.

Would you say Kanye swiped this???

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

It wasn't even that long breh. It was like a month. It was Black Moon's single too.

I remember an old audio interview (almost like a podcast before podcasts) where Just Blaze said he swore that he was leaving Bassline Studios literally the day after he made P.S.A. and there was a grab bag of CDs, and he picked up the Black Moon album. And he said he heard Stay Real in the car and thought, "Everyone is going to think I stole this sample from them."



Oh yeah, this happened too.

prod. Just (I can;t find it normal speed)


prod. Alchemist


prod. Alchemist


prod. Just

even though Blaze is a grimey nikka, that Jay song on the Roc album came a few years before Alchemist's "hold you down". yeah, I was thinking a year, lol but it was the same year within the same month. I was just thinking Black Album dropped 2004 for some reason when I knew it was 2003. And Blaze gave an interview basically saying that Black Moon was washed up and he hadn't listened to them in years but he had done production for Buckshot.