Just trying to get our Coli Rating Up - Miami Heat Season thread 2015/16
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WaddupDoe!
Steez.
damn i thought the 6ers were going to claim Udrih. welp im fine with Dorrell.
Dr. Narcisse
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I will NOT give Riley or Spo credit for "developing" Wade.
Wade was a beast from the start and was bound to be a star. Sure I'll give Riley credit for picking Wade when everyone else was sold on Chris Kaman. In that draft Riley said his draft board was LeBron #1, Bosh#2, Wade #3, Carmelo #4. When Lebron and Bosh were gone he snatched Wade.
What's next we;re gonna give Del Harris credit for Kobe?
I believe great players eventually come into their own. Not saying they dont get any help from good coaching to further develop their game but in no way am i ready to give coaches too much credit when they have a cant-miss star fall on their laps.
And i disagree with Cole. I didnt see much difference between him as a rookie and his last year with us at all. And Spo didnt coach Odom or Caron Butler. Spo became coach after Shaq left, remember? Chalmers? Maybe ...
But let's not act like Chalmers improved THAT much unde Spo either. Dude just fell into a rol that fit him and he thrived in it
You mean Caron Butler's 2nd year. Not Wade's. Stan coached Wade's first year.
That summer we signed went after Elton Brand and wound up with Odom. We then drafted Wade...I think
He was taught winning habits from the jump though unlike Melo and Bron.
Here's a better question. Was the overuse/training system the reason for Wade's prime being cut shorter or was that strictly his style of play. Don't get me wrong Wade was still great...but those injuries started to add up. I always wonder if they pushed him too hard
Then again maybe it was having to carry a team with Beasley as the 2nd best player on the roster for a few years.
Dr. Narcisse
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I think the Mavs did that
Wade was injury prone from day 1, doggy. I remember me and my boy Jessy were talking during his rookie year and we were like "yeah seems like they cant win without that new dude but he's always hurt". And that was with Stan Van Gundy coaching him. Not with Riley;s grueling campsHe was taught winning habits from the jump though unlike Melo and Bron.
Here's a better question. Was the overuse/training system the reason for Wade's prime being cut shorter or was that strictly his style of play. Don't get me wrong Wade was still great...but those injuries started to add up. I always wonder if they pushed him too hard
That too. Not just with Beasley but Beas was a bum anywayThen again maybe it was having to carry a team with Beasley as the 2nd best player on the roster for a few years.
So are we crediting Phil for MJ adding and mastering the post up game? Because he didnt have it under Collins
Just as Pistons beating up on MJ made him get in the gym.I think the Mavs did that
MJ himself said struggling with the Pistons made him a better player because thats when he started lifting seriously.
Which goes back to my point: There are players who need to be developped but great players tend to just add to their arsenal as needed.
Biscayne
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For the duration of the series, Spo had the upper hand. Running the offense through Wade and letting him do his thing in Game 4 was one of the better decisions. Getting 20pts out of Chalmers in Game 6 while Wade had a bad game was also part of coaching. Spo rode the hot hand alot in that series, and didn't succumb to pressure. Spo leaving Bosh in, while Pop decided to take Timmy D out was another good one. CB basically had the rebound advantage over everyone out there.....
In my opinion he damn near lost us that series in game 6 when he inserted Wade in the reigning mn of the 4th, but I will also concede to not being a BBALL savant
Biscayne
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LBJ didn't wanna play the 4 AT ALL. Spo got that out of him, and convinced him to work on his post-game. Hell, the 2015 Finals LBJ was a product of LBJ's post-playing days in Miami. ANY other coach making the adjustment Spo made, would be getting optimum praise for turning LBJ into what he is.
OfTheCross
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There are many great players that don't live up to their potential.
There are many below average players who exceed expectations.
There are many average players who get the best out of their abilities.
Question is: what credit do coaches get with this?
Or just generally speaking, what credit do we give coaches at all?
How much credit does Luke Walton get, for example
There are many below average players who exceed expectations.
There are many average players who get the best out of their abilities.
Question is: what credit do coaches get with this?
Or just generally speaking, what credit do we give coaches at all?
How much credit does Luke Walton get, for example
Biscayne
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Spo did that. Even at the beginning of the next season, LBJ still didn't wanna play the four. CB getting injured against Indiana gave Spo the leverage to get through to LBJ.I think the Mavs did that
Dr. Narcisse
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Biscayne
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How do we criticize Spo for not developing players, but don't give him credit when players develop skills around his system? As much as we hate CB taking 3's, we needed him to be that player in the big 3 era, to create space. We needed LBJ to play 4 at times to make this offense potent. Getting Shane, getting Birdman, making Dwade a great off the ball player who can still put up 30-40pts in key games in a series. Convincing star players to buy in. That's partly coaching. What other AVAILABLE coaches would have had more success in the Big 3 Era back then? Who?
Biscayne
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CB going out gave him even more minutes at the 4. His hand was forced by the Celtics series. Yeah he had worked on his post-game that whole summer(2011) but the Miami Heat small-ball really came into fruition in the Indy-Boston series'.Could have swore I saw him in the post in the 1st round as well
((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL
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dog dwade BEEN a great off ball player. that's why him and bron worked so well, wade could always move without the ball and that was one of lebron's weaknesses. spo is not a great coach. at all. he had arguably 3 top 10 players in the game and only got 2 titles with them. there's no way we should have lost 4 in a row to the mavs in 2011. we won two titles with lebron but it doesn't feel as satisfying as it should have, cause we KNOW we should have had more. pop, thibs, carlisle....they all get us 4 easy. carlisle made spo look like a complete amateur in 2011.How do we criticize Spo for not developing players, but don't give him credit when players develop skills around his system? As much as we hate CB taking 3's, we needed him to be that player in the big 3 era, to create space. We needed LBJ to play 4 at times to make this offense potent. Getting Shane, getting Birdman, making Dwade a great off the ball player who can still put up 30-40pts in key games in a series. Convincing star players to buy in. That's partly coaching. What other AVAILABLE coaches would have had more success in the Big 3 Era back then? Who?
OfTheCross
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Bruh... If LeBron was even producing at AC average rate in 2011 we would've won that.
Also, if Spo hadn't won in 2012 he probably would have been fired. Dude ate that pressure up and coaches his ass off.
Like someone said, he worked and developed a new system over the summer and everything.
Even this year, we happy as fukk with the new offense but don't really give him credit for making the adjustment.
What credit does he get for us surviving January with all the injuries and travelling?
Dell Harris couldn't win with Shaq and Kobe. Collins couldn't win with MJ. Stan Van coukdnt win with Wade and Shaq. Thibs hasnt won shyt. Pop with a squad of Hall of Famers performs as he should. Spo with a squad of Hall of Famers, performed as he shiukd.
We can't say that when Spo had the squad, he didn't win.