Kd at 23>>kobe at 21-26

[MoneyTron]

GL has to be a troll or alias.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

I think Kobe could play off the ball just fine with the right offense and team.

Especially if they got rid of Gasol or Bynum and decided to make Kobe their 2nd post player. At the beginning of the '10 season he did that and was off the ball for a good amount of time.

Eventually the Lakers always start leaning on him to become a ballhandler and playmaker, something Durant doesn't have to deal with.

I'm not saying Kobe CAN'T do it right now, just that he's not as good at it s Durant right now.

Earlier in his career Kobe just didn't do it.

 

[GreatestLaker]

what did it destroy? All I said was that Shaq was the #1 option and helped made everyone, including Kobe better. That was how the triangle offense was designed to be like, which no teams could stop during the 3-peat. What system is Durant & Westbrook in? shyt is practically an iso offense, with pick n rolls here and than. The Kobe & Shaq dynamic is sorta the same as Durant & Westbrook. Westbrook, the 2nd option is shooting more shots than the best player on the team, at a lesser efficient rate, just like Kobe did with Shaq. shyt, imagine Kobe playing iso ball like the Thunder are doing back in the 2000's, Kobe might just fukk around and score like 36-37 ppg during the early 2000's during his athletic peak.

I don't see how Shaq made Kobe better during those years. Look at the games that Shaq missed. Kobe put up much better stats. If anything Shaq hindered Kobe's game from progressing. It held him back from doing what he really wanted to do.

Especially from 96 to 01.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

He wasn't special in the regular season in 06. 27/6/5 is nothing special. Several players do that.

26/6/5 in 10 and 25/6/5 in 11 are nothing special either.

2009 was an MVP type season, the others weren't.

 

[Bilz]

He wasn't special in the regular season in 06. 27/6/5 is nothing special. Several players do that.

26/6/5 in 10 and 25/6/5 in 11 are nothing special either.

2009 was an MVP type season, the others weren't.

Kobe's one MVP season was 28/6/5

 

[diggy]

Do people have to compare everything? Dude could blow out his knee tomorrow and what does this thread even accomplish

 

[verbaltelekinesis]

I'm going to shut this thread down with 1 video



He was 22 yrs old and did what he wanted to the Spurs every game of that sweep.

 

[Real Talk of NY]

Why are nikkas in here saying Kobe could score in more ways than Durant? Kobe was not in the post scoring at 23. Durant is a much more complete scorer at 23.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

I don't see how Shaq made Kobe better during those years. Look at the games that Shaq missed. Kobe put up much better stats. If anything Shaq hindered Kobe's game from progressing. It held him back from doing what he really wanted to do.

Especially from 96 to 01.

I've already said that no player makes another player "better" but they take pressure off other players and give them better opportunities.


Kobe only suffered playing under Shaq in the sense that hating ass muthafukkas used that as a way to downplay Kobe's talent. People were saying Kobe would be an Average 2 guard without Shaq and that Kobe couldn't handle the double teams he'd constantly see without Shaq.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Kobe's one MVP season was 28/6/5

While being first All-NBA and first all-defensive and leading the Lakers to best record in the west. Wade only had one regular season that can compare to that and its 09.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Why are nikkas in here saying Kobe could score in more ways than Durant? Kobe was not in the post scoring at 23. Durant is a much more complete scorer at 23.

Kobe had a post game at 23. Saying otherwise is revisionist history.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Why are nikkas in here saying Kobe could score in more ways than Durant? Kobe was not in the post scoring at 23. Durant is a much more complete scorer at 23.

Kobe playing in the posting up is a fairly recent development brought on by his declining athleticism.

Durant has more physical tools to score than Kobe ever has though.

 

[Hood Critic]

 

[GreatestLaker]

Kobe playing in the posting up is a fairly recent development brought on by his declining athleticism.

Durant has more physical tools to score than Kobe ever has though.

 

[PTBG]

But you were basically saying it like Kobe was matching Durant's stats even though he was a 2nd option that wasn't allowed to get off. At the same time, you're acknowledging it actually made things easier for Kobe and people have already pointed out that he was shooting more than his 1st option or Durant at the time. With that said, why are we trying to prorate his numbers?

All I said that, as a 2nd option, Bean had comparable/better stats as Durant as a 2nd option player. I didn't say he wasn't allowed to get off. All I was trying to say was that Kobe benefited from playing with Shaq, at the same time Shaq benefited from Kobe too, but Kobe benefited from because people were more worried about Shaq in the post and in the paint, and making shots in the paint is easier to do, so teams doubled and tripled team Shaq. That was how the triangle system was ran during the 3-peat and was hella successful. And yea, Kobe took more shots than the 1st option and even though I haven't looked it up, probably Durant too, but that's just how Kobe plays and will always play, just like the same way Westbrook plays, except that as great as Westbrook is right now, Kobe during the 3-peat was a much more skilled and polished player, but he doesn't have Westbrook's athleticism though. I don't see why we should try to throw out Kobe's stats like he was stat padding or something you trying to make it look like.