Kd at 23>>kobe at 21-26

[MoneyTron]

Kobe playing in the posting up is a fairly recent development brought on by his declining athleticism.

Durant has more physical tools to score than Kobe ever has though.

Kobe has been able to use his post game since the 3 peat days. Maybe not to effect and frequency of current Kobe but it was there.

 

[Hood Critic]

Kobe playing in the posting up is a fairly recent development brought on by his declining athleticism.

Durant has more physical tools to score than Kobe ever has though.

No it's not...are you cats serious?!

Kobe has added a facet to his game every year he's been in the league. Much like MJ, he started to develop a post game shortly before his peak as a player.

KD's offense relies heavily on if his jumper is on or not. He can't kill you many other ways.

 

[Bilz]

All I said that, as a 2nd option, Bean had comparable/better stats as Durant as a 2nd option player. I didn't say he wasn't allowed to get off. All I was trying to say was that Kobe benefited from playing with Shaq, at the same time Shaq benefited from Kobe too, but Kobe benefited from because people were more worried about Shaq in the post and in the paint, and making shots in the paint is easier to do, so teams doubled and tripled team Shaq. That was how the triangle system was ran during the 3-peat and was hella successful. And yea, Kobe took more shots than the 1st option and even though I haven't looked it up, probably Durant too, but that's just how Kobe plays and will always play, just like the same way Westbrook plays, except that as great as Westbrook is right now, Kobe during the 3-peat was a much more skilled and polished player, but he doesn't have Westbrook's athleticism though. I don't see why we should try to throw out Kobe's stats like he was stat padding or something you trying to make it look like.

You're getting off track here. When you mentioned that Kobe was meeting/exceeding Durant as a 2nd option, you were attempting to prorate his numbers even though he had more opportunities than Durant has as a 1st option. The 2nd option thing can't be used as a crutch in this argument.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Kobe dropping 36 on the Nets in the finals at 23.

 

[PTBG]

I don't see how Shaq made Kobe better during those years. Look at the games that Shaq missed. Kobe put up much better stats. If anything Shaq hindered Kobe's game from progressing. It held him back from doing what he really wanted to do.

Especially from 96 to 01.

The double and triple teams Shaq faced opened up other teammates. But, also Shaq benefited from Kobe because at times it was like pick your poison when Kobe was slashing, and it was like either Kobe is gonna lay it up, dunk, get fouled, or Kobe could just alley-op it to Shaq for easy 2 points. Everyone knew Kobe could put up better numbers without Shaq, and might have averaged 36-37 ppg during that time probably, but would it have led to a ring with Kobe as the man during the early 2000's?

 

[True Weltch Media]

KD is a better shooter, and more effective scorer. Kobe is a volume scorer. KD doesnt take bad shots like Kobe. When its all said and done KD will be the more acclaimed player. He like Larry Bird with athleticism.

maybe... he should be the highest leading scorer all time if healthy but he got a looooooong way to go for that....

also he won't be getting many mvps since lebron is the mvp champ... he needs to win at least 3 rings.. which i think he can do

unless turns Kobe and becomes the number one option elsewhere

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Kobe has been able to use his post game since the 3 peat days. Maybe not to effect and frequency of current Kobe but it was there.

This is basically what I'm saying. Just like with him playing off the ball or being primarily a playmaker. He's capable of all of those things, he just never did it very much.

I'm not big on giving people credit for that they "could" do. Shaq "could" have improved his FT shooting but didn't.

 

[Loose]

No it's not...are you cats serious?!

Kobe has added a facet to his game every year he's been in the league. Much like MJ, he started to develop a post game shortly before his peak as a player.

KD's offense relies heavily on if his jumper is on or not. He can't kill you many other ways.

KD hasnt added nothing to his game this season, not only was he primarily a spot up shooter with awful handles last season and weak off the ball. he has adjusted his game to the point that he can now make difficult plays for him self on the ball as well as plays for his teammates

this mfer talking like kd just standing and shooting jumpers and shyt. kobe added his post game recently as recent as 07

 

[True Weltch Media]

The double and triple teams Shaq faced opened up other teammates. But, also Shaq benefited from Kobe because at times it was like pick your poison when Kobe was slashing, and it was like either Kobe is gonna lay it up, dunk, get fouled, or Kobe could just alley-op it to Shaq for easy 2 points. Everyone knew Kobe could put up better numbers without Shaq, and might have averaged 36-37 ppg during that time probably, but would it have led to a ring with Kobe as the man during the early 2000's?

they fed off each other like durant and westbrook do each other... thats the way it should be .... phuck the iverson route to a title, that shyt ain't working

 

[Real Talk of NY]

Kobe playing in the posting up is a fairly recent development brought on by his declining athleticism.

Durant has more physical tools to score than Kobe ever has though.

so you're agreeing with me then.

 

[Bilz]

While being first All-NBA and first all-defensive and leading the Lakers to best record in the west. Wade only had one regular season that can compare to that and its 09.

He didn't win MVP those years so I don't know what you're trying to say. People are saying Kobe has been a top player for 16 years so he deserves more than 1 MVP yet if I make that same argument for Wade, people are like You don't get extra credit for simply being in the conversation. To get an MVP, you have to beat out everyone else from that year.

If Kobe had averaged 40 points a year 2 straight years on 50 win playoff teams in the early 2000's and then tore his ACL and never played again, he'd have more MVP's than he has now.

 

[MoneyTron]

This is basically what I'm saying. Just like with him playing off the ball or being primarily a playmaker. He's capable of all of those things, he just never did it very much.

I'm not big on giving people credit for that they "could" do. Shaq "could" have improved his FT shooting but didn't.

I don't see where you're getting at. Kobe had/has a post game. It wasn't a recent development.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Kobe dropping 36 on the Nets in the finals at 23.

Kobe Bryant 2001-02

First play in that video is kobe posting up!

But according to people in this thread Kobe didn't post up.

 

[MoneyTron]

First play in that video is kobe posting up!

But according to people in this thread Kobe didn't post up.

Amazing isn't it!

 

[Mic-Nificent]

I don't see where you're getting at. Kobe had/has a post game. It wasn't a recent development.

I'm saying him aggressively posting up damn near every possession is a recent development.