Keefe D Interview Series on The Art of Dialogue (2Pac/Death Row YouTube Channel)

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1st: i went back to the Theresa Swan Theory. Basicly Greg Kading told her how it went down. She broke down and became the informant that led to this story. Thinking back I have issues with Greg Kading making the letter. Next to this who is another witness except Suge and Poochie ( dead)

The task force investigating the murder didn't just pull Poochie's name out of a hat. He was a long time suspected enforcer for Suge, his name had appeared in previous investigations into Death Row, and it was circling among Bloods associated with DR that he killed Biggie. There's this false deception that a light just went off in Kadings head, he wrote up this letter, and voila! Case solved. That's not how the confession letter ruse came about, and it wasn't the first time they spoke to Teresa Swann when they presented it to her. Furthermore, the letter only explained that she helped facilitate the exchange of money between her and Poochie. Why would she then add all these additional details about manipulating attorney/client privilege, meeting with Poochie to plan the murder, and the payment process. If she were just playing along, all she had to do was leave it at the contents of the letter.

There's also other circumstantial evidence supporting the Poochie theory, but its only circumstantial. This other evidence isn't.

2nd: When did suge give the order. Biggie shouldnt have stayed till the 7th. I think the hit was planned by someone who knew Biggie would Go to the Vibe party. Which wasnt known till the 7th

You're assuming that this would have been the only location a hit was planned. We don't know that. And Kading himself has stated on multiple occassions that he personally believes Poochie had a spotter or spotters at the Petersen, but he can't prove it based on the evidence uncovered. If you're hired to kill someone, it stands to reason that you're not going to abandon your plan if you miss your first opportunity.

3rd: Gene Deal claims someone told him to Vest up, its going down tonight. With this circle ( Theresa Poochie Suge) hè would have never known.

:comeon: Gene Deal again, huh. This man sure has a shyt ton to say about the night Biggie was killed that he never bothered mentioning to police when it mattered when he was questioned multiple times in the immediate aftermath and weeks of the murder. Now 25 years later we get all this pristine detailed information and conversation he kept to himself. OK Gene. If you say so pal.

4th No one ever followed up the person described by Cease and Gene

Who are you referring to? If you're talking about the shooter, the entire basis of every investigation centers around trying to find the shooter. What haven't they followed up on? And if you mean the shooter, Gene acknowledged to police that he never saw the shooter. And Cease acknowledged to police that he couldn't provide a description of the shooter's face because he ducked down as soon as he saw the gun. So who are you referring to? You need to clarify this point.

5th Bad Boy was on check that night by the government. Where is all the footage? From them and every single camera around

Nope. Bad Boy was being surveilled out in LA by federal police who ended their surveillance of them hours before Biggie was killed because their cover had been blown at the Soul Train Awards the night earlier. There's no footage from them at the Petersen Museum because they weren't there the night Biggie was killed. All of this is detailed and documented in the original investigations from '97.



my theory? Yes Suge gave the order, but it was much more Messy than only that girl and Poochie

Probably. And again, for the record, the lead investigator says that he believes exactly what you just said, that Poochie may not have acted alone in planning the hit. But he does the responsible thing and doesn't start pointing fingers at people linked to murders unless he has solid evidence to prove it, unlike the conspiracy circus crowd who have everyone from Amir Muhammad to the King of Belgium somehow involved in Biggie's murder.
 
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Puff was fukkin wit SSCC since before Usher’s first album fam. Keefe D’s car is literally the car they used for his music video.


Point taken, but it was Suge's bullying that instigated an existing gang beef to spill over into the labels. I should have clarified that it was Suge who fanned the gang flames, not that Puffy hired gangs solely in response to Suge.
 

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AND WHERE DOES HE CLAIM ROLLIN 20S

He was repping 19st street early in his career. Somewhere down the line started claiming Insane.

Not calling him a fraud at all. Was just pointing out he repped two different things at one point
 
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I believe Kading told the truth except the Poochie shyt. Trigger man was a cop affiliated with Piru/Deathrow. Kading implicated Poochie cause it absolves LAPD of BIGs murder.

People who say this act as if he was some one man army with the power to do something so brazen and unprecedented.

There were a half dozen or more different agencies involved in the task force investigating Biggie's murder.

For this theory to hold any water, ALL OF THEM would have to be complicit in the lies or coverups that conspiracy theorists are alleging.

What possible incentive would the FBI, DEA, Compton PD, Vegas PD, California U.S. Attorney office, ATF, and LAPD internal affairs all have in helping in conspiring to play coverup for the LAPD? While all simultaneously risking the biggest law enforcement scandal in American history?

Do people have any clue how huge of a clusterfukk and scandal that would be? That practically every major law enforcement agency in the country conspired to cover up the murder of a fukking rapper?

:mindblown:

(And not to mention, the two names most often brought up in these conspiracies, David Mack and Raphael Perez.....WERE BOTH SENT TO PRISON BY THE LAPD. Why cover up a crime if you're just going to throw the criminals guilty of the crimes in jail anyway?)


These theories don't make an ounce of sense when you actually work through what would have to happen if they were true.
 
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Do your research. David Mack for 1. Look at Reggie Wright. Ive seen him say "on bloods," then take it back. A lot of cops was trying to play both sides.


LOL @ "do my research".

For better or for worse, I've lost count of the number of hours I've spent (or wasted depending on how one may look at it :bryan:) researching Biggie and Tupac's murders.

David Mack was dropped from the damn lawsuit that the entire basis of most of these conspiracy theories center around because there wasn't a shred of evidence linking him to gang activity or Biggie's murder beyond circumstantial wildman theories concocted by Russell Poole.

There's no evidence that David Mack was a Blood other than a picture of him wearing a red suit and testimony from Kevin Hackie, which he later recanted and suddenly couldn't remember any details about all the bullshyt information he initially supplied. If he's a Blood, then so is Santa Claus and Pete Rose. Nobody has ever vouched for him and he's never claimed to be a Blood.
 
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Do you fools NOT realize it was on camera ? Like physical cameras held by a human being ? Do you understand that although this was Hiphop a sacrifice to get to where it is today. Lapd is 10099% complicit . They refused to go after shooter , puffs vechicle& entourage had governors .. told not to carry firearms .. puff action super strange that night .. lying on his reasoning to going to vibe party ... forcing big to attend damn near he was suppose to be in London.. they were y set surveillance by fbi / lapd yet they didn’t do nothing. It was an orchestrated HIT. Assasination just like Tupac . Two biggest stars get killed on the most heavily crowded surveillance areas and get away?:mjlol: cmon we were born in the 90s not yesterday.. very unfortunate case of events for both parties . Read the signs on the walls. And lapd don’t want it solved because they’ll owe biggys family pufffy networth...


Wonder how long he’ll live I always did believe in karma but puffy is probably a pawn in this and just seems as a recognizable fall guy even though he was like a rook and or horse.. kinda like a soldier chains of command .. rules of engagement .. so much fukkery at those levels of money and power it gets d’evil ....


Jay z I feel is righteous and danced with the devil to get to where he’s at .. and always consciously will do the right thing in his moral compass

puffy just seems like the devil straight up prob don’t care about no one other then his mom and children at this point


And to think he loved to la afterwards he must have 24/7 security .. and probably has a deal with the devil where he must always feed souls . shyt is spooky af

I could get checked for saying this lemme hush up


I used to think dudes that post shyt like this were just trolls who have a personal incentive in keeping conspiracy theory talk and conversation active for a variety of reasons. And a good portion of them are.

But after living through the age of Trump, "fake news", stolen election drivel, flat-Earthers, anti-vaxxers, Q-Anon, etc, I now see that a frighteningly large number of people see reality as being optional, and sanity is something far too many of us take for granted.

This country is doomed beyond saving. :francis:




But hey, do you. :hubie:
 

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The task force investigating the murder didn't just pull Poochie's name out of a hat. He was a long time suspected enforcer for Suge, his name had appeared in previous investigations into Death Row, and it was circling among Bloods associated with DR that he killed Biggie. There's this false deception that a light just went off in Kadings head, he wrote up this letter, and voila! Case solved. That's not how the confession letter ruse came about, and it wasn't the first time they spoke to Teresa Swann when they presented it to her. Furthermore, the letter only explained that she helped facilitate the exchange of money between her and Poochie. Why would she then add all these additional details about manipulating attorney/client privilege, meeting with Poochie to plan the murder, and the payment process. If she were just playing along, all she had to do was leave it at the contents of the letter.

There's also other circumstantial evidence supporting the Poochie theory, but its only circumstantial. This other evidence isn't.



You're assuming that this would have been the only location a hit was planned. We don't know that. And Kading himself has stated on multiple occassions that he personally believes Poochie had a spotter or spotters at the Petersen, but he can't prove it based on the evidence uncovered. If you're hired to kill someone, it stands to reason that you're not going to abandon your plan if you miss your first opportunity.

I agree, but a hit asks for preparation right? If there was this call from Suge (which I believe there was but bigger than Poochie) and you know Bad Boy will leave L.A for London at the 7th of March, you take a lot of risk killing him on the 9th at party Biggie only confirmed to going to a day before. My theory is (not that Poochie didn't kill him) word got out Bad Boy would go to the party, and things were set in motion.

:comeon: Gene Deal again, huh. This man sure has a shyt ton to say about the night Biggie was killed that he never bothered mentioning to police when it mattered when he was questioned multiple times in the immediate aftermath and weeks of the murder. Now 25 years later we get all this pristine detailed information and conversation he kept to himself. OK Gene. If you say so pal.

True, but they could follow up on this right? I don't think Gene throws this guy under the bus without his consent.



Who are you referring to? If you're talking about the shooter, the entire basis of every investigation centers around trying to find the shooter. What haven't they followed up on? And if you mean the shooter, Gene acknowledged to police that he never saw the shooter. And Cease acknowledged to police that he couldn't provide a description of the shooter's face because he ducked down as soon as he saw the gun. So who are you referring to? You need to clarify this point.

The guy that walked up to Puffs car from the NOI (according to Gene). Reggie laughs about it and says this is a well known person in L.A. Easy for the police to rule out right?

Nope. Bad Boy was being surveilled out in LA by federal police who ended their surveillance of them hours before Biggie was killed because their cover had been blown at the Soul Train Awards the night earlier. There's no footage from them at the Petersen Museum because they weren't there the night Biggie was killed. All of this is detailed and documented in the original investigations from '97.

Thats disputed by Gene Deal


Probably. And again, for the record, the lead investigator says that he believes exactly what you just said, that Poochie may not have acted alone in planning the hit. But he does the responsible thing and doesn't start pointing fingers at people linked to murders unless he has solid evidence to prove it, unlike the conspiracy circus crowd who have everyone from Amir Muhammad to the King of Belgium somehow involved in Biggie's murder.

Im not naming persons, but my guess is someone else from DR fixed the murder (not talking the shooter, could easily be Poochie), and he is still alive and active, and possibly had cops helping.
 

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LOL @ "do my research".

For better or for worse, I've lost count of the number of hours I've spent (or wasted depending on how one may look at it :bryan:) researching Biggie and Tupac's murders.

David Mack was dropped from the damn lawsuit that the entire basis of most of these conspiracy theories center around because there wasn't a shred of evidence linking him to gang activity or Biggie's murder beyond circumstantial wildman theories concocted by Russell Poole.

There's no evidence that David Mack was a Blood other than a picture of him wearing a red suit and testimony from Kevin Hackie, which he later recanted and suddenly couldn't remember any details about all the bullshyt information he initially supplied. If he's a Blood, then so is Santa Claus and Pete Rose. Nobody has ever vouched for him and he's never claimed to be a Blood.
I don't care what he recanted. He associated with Pirus. Just like Reggie Wright.
 

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People who say this act as if he was some one man army with the power to do something so brazen and unprecedented.

There were a half dozen or more different agencies involved in the task force investigating Biggie's murder.

For this theory to hold any water, ALL OF THEM would have to be complicit in the lies or coverups that conspiracy theorists are alleging.

What possible incentive would the FBI, DEA, Compton PD, Vegas PD, California U.S. Attorney office, ATF, and LAPD internal affairs all have in helping in conspiring to play coverup for the LAPD? While all simultaneously risking the biggest law enforcement scandal in American history?

Do people have any clue how huge of a clusterfukk and scandal that would be? That practically every major law enforcement agency in the country conspired to cover up the murder of a fukking rapper?

:mindblown:

(And not to mention, the two names most often brought up in these conspiracies, David Mack and Raphael Perez.....WERE BOTH SENT TO PRISON BY THE LAPD. Why cover up a crime if you're just going to throw the criminals guilty of the crimes in jail anyway?)


These theories don't make an ounce of sense when you actually work through what would have to happen if they were true.


This is where I don't agree with you.

I doesn't have to be a conspiracy of people hiding things. I think its a situation where the pressure on the investigators is so high they are not free to pursue things. Not in a conspiracy way, but in a way of Biggie not being important enough to clear some shyt.

Same goes for 2pac in L.A
 
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I don't care what he recanted. He associated with Pirus. Just like Reggie Wright.

Great rebuttal! I gotta admit, I didn't even consider that maybe you don't care what anyone says. :ohhh:




Upon reading such a well thought out and thoroughly detailed reply, you have now made me reconsider my beliefs. Good job to you sir.

:ehh:
 

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Great rebuttal! I gotta admit, I didn't even consider that maybe you don't care what anyone says. :ohhh:




Upon reading such a well thought out and thoroughly detailed reply, you have now made me reconsider my beliefs. Good job to you sir.

:ehh:
N1gga, I don't care about swaying your beliefs. Fukk u :russ:

I'm just saying that David Mack definitely associated with pirus in Compton. And the godfather of his kids happened to be Amir Muhammad. Yeah, I think coos were involved. Especially when u consider the car was able to get away.
 
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