Kenyon Martin says Joakim Noah is a bum

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Joakim Noah | 23 points, 21 boards, 11 blocks


Joakim Noah | 13 points, 12 rebounds, 14 assists


Joakim Noah | 24 points, 14 rebounds, 6 blocks in a game 7 on the road against Brooklyn


These are the types of games Joakim Noah was capable of having where he could have a massive impact offensively, defensively, and on the boards, and fill the stat sheets with points, rebounds, steals, blocks, assists, and make game-changing hustle plays that don't show up on the scoreboard, and cover defensively for teammates. Those Chicago teams without D-Rose had no business winning 48-50 games. But, yeah K-Mart was better because he was a goon and could dunk really hard, and get highlight blocks.
 
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Yeah, he was definitely up there with KG, Chris Webber, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki :laff:

he wasn't a hall of famer, but he wasn't a pushover either :hubie:

they're essentially the same type of player - rebounder, defensive specialist that'll throw some points up for you
throw Noah in that era and he's putting up better numbers than Martin? :patrice:
 

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he wasn't a hall of famer, but he wasn't a pushover either :hubie:

they're essentially the same type of player - rebounder, defensive specialist that'll throw some points up for you
throw Noah in that era and he's putting up better numbers than Martin? :patrice:

You got it backwards breh, much more talent overall in this era than the early 2000s (and I say this as a fan of the 3-peat Lakers)

K-Mart was a more potent offensive threat, but Noah was more versatile in what he could do.
 

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he wasn't a hall of famer, but he wasn't a pushover either :hubie:

they're essentially the same type of player - rebounder, defensive specialist that'll throw some points up for you
throw Noah in that era and he's putting up better numbers than Martin? :patrice:
Ehhh, yeah. Joakim Noah was a better passer, better rebounder, ball handler, free throw shooter, midrange shooter, and defensive player. K-Mart had a better jump hook and was an explosive player on P&R and the offensive glass and was an enforcer and good defensive player in his day although not Noah status. And that era wasn't great, I don't understand why y'all are so enamored by the early 00's.
 
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And for the record, I think KMart had a good career considering the injuries he dealt with (and he was entertaining as fukk to watch, much more than Joakim). But all things considered, I'd rather have a prime Noah over him, especially in this era :yeshrug:
 

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You got it backwards breh, much more talent overall in this era than the early 2000s (and I say this as a fan of the 3-peat Lakers)

:patrice: you mean to tell me there is a young Dirk, D-Wade and T-Mac in the NBA right now? where? who?

Ehhh, yeah. Joakim Noah is a better passer, better rebounder, ball handler, free throw shooter, and defensive player. That era wasn't great, I don't understand why y'all are so enamored by the early 00's.

I think the 90's had the best era personally :hubie:

but you're not about to tell me that outside of the Warriors and Cavs that the league is just booming with hall of fame talent all throughout the league

there are maybe 7 superstars in the NBA right now, and that's being very liberal
 

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And for the record, I think KMart had a good career considering the injuries he dealt with (and he was entertaining as fukk to watch, much more than Joakim). But all things considered, I'd rather have a prime Noah over him, especially in this era :yeshrug:
Noah would be fine in K-Mart's era. The Bulls were practically an early 00's team looking at their three point attempts, pace, defensive identity. Noah may look goofy or whatever to y'all but he's a tough MF and grew up playing outside in NY. Anybody now could play in that era the talent pool of 450 players was far worse.
 
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:patrice: you mean to tell me there is a young Dirk, D-Wade and T-Mac in the NBA right now? where? who?

There's much more talent overall now than in the early 2000s tho :manny:

Random selection of players. T-Mac was surrounded by trash and actually won 21 games his last year in Orlando and Wade best years were mid to late 00s (when Martin was already playing in Denver).
 

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but you're not about to tell me that outside of the Warriors and Cavs that the league is just booming with hall of fame talent all throughout the league

there are maybe 7 superstars in the NBA right now, and that's being very liberal

Bron, KD, Curry, Westrbook, Harden (yeah him), Kawhi, Giannis, Davis...

And some great/star players as well: Boogie, Wall, PG, Butler, KAT, CP3, Lillard, Kyrie, IT4, Embiid (if he can stay healthy)...etc
 

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:patrice: you mean to tell me there is a young Dirk, D-Wade and T-Mac in the NBA right now? where? who?



I think the 90's had the best era personally :hubie:

but you're not about to tell me that outside of the Warriors and Cavs that the league is just booming with hall of fame talent all throughout the league

there are maybe 7 superstars in the NBA right now, and that's being very liberal
Well, you're looking at things in retrospect, you haven't allowed modern players to make a name for themselves and establish their legacies.

-Kristaps Porzingis first two years are better than Dirk Nowitzki's first two years, he has a similar skillset while being 3 inches taller and being a better rim protector and P&R defender than Dirk ever was. That's a guy you can potentially say may one day be as good as prime Dirk if not better.

-Kevin Durant, is the closest thing we have to Tracy McGrady with his size and scoring ability. KD is better than T-Mac though.

-D-Wade? I don't know if we have a D-Wade, but we have several explosive guards.

Namedropping these superstar players is pointless because they were all surrounded by trash. A.I., Carter, T-Mac, etc. The 450 players of the early 00's are not better than what we have now and teams are not as deep as they are now because of it. The modern Raptors teams with DeRozan and Lowry have been more successful and are more talented than the ones Vince Carter played with for example. T-Mac was winning 20 games in Orlando, playing with trash, was battling injuries at times, and never made it out the first round of the playoffs.
 

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bruh cant do anything under the basekt i watched every knick game this year dude is horrible

He's been ass ever since he fukked his shoulders up back in 2014.

Phil a fool for offering him that money :mjlol:
 

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Put up some arguments or :camby:



In the worst fukking draft ever. A draft so bad, it only had 3 total all-star selections OVERALL :camby:

Joakim was 1st team All-NBA, DPOY and legit ran the offense from the point especially with Rose down so much. I'd give Martin a big edge when it comes to scoring but nothing else. His only all star game, the east had no big men outside of Big ben/Jermaine (which explains why guys like Antonio Davis, Magloire & Brad Miller were making it)

he should have made the All Star team in 03 instead of Walker. He was better than Walker and showed that by owning his ass in the post season later that year.

I had access to watch Noah play for free for 9 years straight and yall need to stop with all this exaggeration. He really Anderson Varejao with some passing abilities. By watching Nene score on Noah with ease and Bosh having the best playoff games of his life due to Noah's defense, I look at his DPOY trophy like :yeshrug:

edit: Noah was All NBA 1st Team and talking down on the past:mindblown:
 
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