Kenyon Martin says Joakim Noah is a bum

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And for the record, I think KMart had a good career considering the injuries he dealt with (and he was entertaining as fukk to watch, much more than Joakim). But all things considered, I'd rather have a prime Noah over him, especially in this era :yeshrug:
ESPECIALLY in this era? K-Mart actually developed a semi respectable mid-range game. There is no doubt he was the better offensive player of the two and still held his own on defense.

You guys are exposing yourself something serious :mjlol:
 

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Bron, KD, Curry, Westrbook, Harden (yeah him), Kawhi, Giannis, Davis...

And some great/star players as well: Boogie, Wall, PG, Butler, KAT, CP3, Lillard, Kyrie, IT4, Embiid (if he can stay healthy)...etc

i said outside of the cavs and warriors and look at the first three people you named...

there are superstars out there, but let's not act like it's like it was in the 90's and 00's

the league has been so weak the last decade that T-mac is in the hall of fame..did he even play defense? :mjlol:
 

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Y'all weren't ever in any real Finals contention.

:jbhmm:WE WERE A BRON GAME WINNER
FROM GOING UP 3-1 IN THAT SERIES.

WHILE NOAH PROVIDED ANOTHER
WHOOPING 8PTS ON 33%.

HE MISSED WIDE OPEN LAYUPS IN THAT GAME
THAT SHIFTED MOMENTUM.
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ESPECIALLY in this era? K-Mart actually developed a semi respectable mid-range game. There is no doubt he was the better offensive player of the two and still held his own on defense.

You guys are exposing yourself something serious :mjlol:
No, he was not without a doubt the better offensive player. Noah was a far better passer (career high, 5.5 assists for Noah, 2.6 assists for Martin), offensive rebounder (career high, 4.3 offensive boards for Noah, 3.0 for Martin), Martin didn't bring the ball up or push the break like Noah, he didn't handle the ball like Noah. Noah impacted the game offensively past scoring, also K-Mart never had a semi respectable midrange game, he was never a shooter. I know you a Knicks fan, K-Mart never shot outside the paint as a Knick. K-Mart was more athletic and a superior finisher at the basket, a great P&R guy, who could get put back dunks, and make the occasional jump hook, he had Kidd feeding him the ball in his best scoring seasons, dude wasn't scoring like that in Denver, and was never a guy who you could run an offensive through or a go-to guy. Don't revise history.

Joakim is also the better shooter from midrange and from the FT line, Martin took more threes...
'14 Jo: 65 of 159 | 41% from 16 feet to the three point line
'04 K-Mart: 78 of 204 | 38% from 16 feet to the three point line

In most seasons K-Mart shot in the mid-30's from midrange, neither were strong midrange shooters and both had broken forms.

Jo: Peak 75% from FT line, career 70% from FT line
K-Mart: Peak 71% from FT line, career 63% from FT line
 
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i said outside of the cavs and warriors and look at the first three people you named...

there are superstars out there, but let's not act like it's like it was in the 90's and 00's

the league has been so weak the last decade that T-mac is in the hall of fame..did he even play defense? :mjlol:

Yup let's remove 3 of the top 4-5 players for no reason :mjlol:

Let's ignore KAT's 25/12/3 as a 21 yo sophomore, let's ignore Wiggins' 24 ppg as a 21yo player, let's ignore many of the stars now would be superstars a decade or 2 ago :mjlol:
 

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Yup let's remove 3 of the top 4-5 players for no reason :mjlol:

Let's ignore KAT's 25/12/3 as a 21 yo sophomore, let's ignore Wiggins' 24 ppg as a 21yo player, let's ignore many of the stars now would be superstars a decade or 2 ago :mjlol:

YOU CANT COMPARE NUMBERS
AND PERCENTAGES FROM THIS ERA
TO THE EARLY 2000S.

THE LEAGUE IS OFFICIATED COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NOW.

:comeon:nikkaS SCORING 50 PTS IN THE 1ST QUARTER
OF NBA FINALS GAMES.
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YOU CANT COMPARE NUMBERS
AND PERCENTAGES FROM THIS ERA
TO THE EARLY 2000S.

THE LEAGUE IS OFFICIATED COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NOW.

:comeon:nikkaS SCORING 50 PTS IN THE 1ST QUARTER
OF NBA FINALS GAMES.
:devil:
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The league's just better overall right now, much more talent around.

The Cs made the eastern conference finals in 2002 starting the likes of Kenny Anderson (on a downward spiral), Erick Williams and Tony Battie.
 

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The league's just better overall right now, much more talent around.

The Cs made the eastern conference finals in 2002 starting the likes of Kenny Anderson (on a downward spiral), Erick Williams and Tony Battie.

AND THE CAVS WENT 12-1 IN THE EAST
WHILE GS WENT 12-0 IN THE WEST.

THERES AN ILLUSION OF SPREADED TALENT AROUND THE LEAGUE
DUE TO THE INFLATED NUMBERS...

ISAIAH JUST AVERAGED 29 PPG
BUT WE KNOW HES REALLY NOT A 29PPG TALENT.
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AND THE CAVS WENT 12-1 IN THE EAST
WHILE GS WENT 12-0 IN THE WEST.

THERES AN ILLUSION OF TALENT AROUND THE LEAGUE
DUE TO THE NUMBERS...

ISAIAH JUST AVERAGED 29 PPG.
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You're acting as if this Cleveland team wouldn't ravage the early 2000s eastern conference :mjlol:

As if this GSW team ain't an all time great who would be dominant in any era :russ:
 
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