Kobe Bryant Is An All Time Great, Unless You Do The Math: VICE

[Cyber]

Wins produced is a very controversial stat, even respected members of the cacalytics community like Neil Paine have a problem with it (check comments, Mark Cuban also makes an appearance since according to wins produced Dirk was the 5th best player vs Miami and the 2nd best heading into the finals). It makes the assumption that a player will shoot at that efficiency regardless of how much their role or volume changes and it overvalues rebounds, which is why this occurred:

Per 48 minutes played, Rodman’s productivity even eclipsed Jordan. Rodman’s WP48 of .0.415 was four times the production offered by an average player in the NBA, and even surpassed the 0.386 WP48 posted by Jordan

Context matters and Dave Berri is really just an economist that pretends to understand sports. That said, Jordan vs Kobe should never be a debate, and neither should Kobe's place as an all-timer.

 

[Regular_P]

LMAO @ the thought of Reggie Miller, Ray Allen and Drexler being better than Kobe.

Articles like this and the numbers they're pulling out diminish the positives of analytics.

 

[Yayo Toure]

With the right data and time on your hands you can manipulate analytics to support whatever narrative you want.

Fact is the cacs who do this analytics shyt, and the ones like Hollinger who helped make it popular, have an axe to grind with Kobe. Maybe because that girl in Colorado was a 3, and still out of their league. Who knows, but fact is I support analytics but not as the end all be all to statistics and player evaluation.

There is no fukking way in hell Kobe isn't the 2nd best two guard to ever play. I don't care what WARP, PIE or whatever shyt they will come up next year says.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

I understand the stat they're using and what it's purpose is, but if anything this article just showcases the fact that WP48 is an imperfect stat.

Reggie Miller has a higher WP48, but no one is taking Reggie Over Kobe if given the choice. Won't matter that Reggie "produces more wins."

Seems silly to try and act like WP48 is infallible then use it to criticize and bash Kobe. But but Reggie Miller is higher in this stat!

 

[Maluma]

Don't forget Kobe leads in the most damning statistic of all: times snitched to law enforcement

 

[KOBE]

im sure this fool would also suggest that the lakers would have been better off with kobe passing to kwame and smush more while letting them run the offense.

 

[ALonelyDad]

Vice should stick with making videos about isis and not Kobe

 

[ThaRealness]

Great, now hipsters will have a thinkpiece to pull out when you talk basketball at work

 

[DoubleClutch]

Obviously Jordan > kone. What else is new..... But vice is reaching with Clyde, Reggie and Ray allen. They should've mentioned wade.

 

[Draje]

Obviously Jordan > kone. What else is new..... But vice is reaching with Clyde, Reggie and Ray allen. They should've mentioned wade.

I might take 09 Wade over Kobe and I think Wade is one of the most disrespected guards of all time but Kobe's longevity alone makes him better than Wade. Same reason I'm taking Duncan over Shaq.

 

[malbaker86]

LMAO @ the thought of Reggie Miller, Ray Allen and Drexler being better than Kobe.

Articles like this and the numbers they're pulling out diminish the positives of analytics.

This

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Vice remains the only media network doing actual in depth truth finding.

As a more substantial corroboration, there's a 538 article from last year showing why Jordan is so far ahead of Kobe.

David Berri doesn't know the meaning of "truth finding". He doesn't understand basketball and he doesn't understand context. Nobody in their right mind would use ONE metric (a heavily flawed one at that) to determine the value of a player.

How Wins Produced Fails in Being the Magical Assessor of Player Value - this pretty much goes into detail with what's wrong with "Wins Produced".

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It could go either way.

On one hand, the media LOVES Kobe and a lot of people out there prefer one on one ball to the functional team ball that is more common these days so he will always be popular and people will talk about the good old days where players took 40 shots a game.

On the other hand, Kobes numbers will never hold up to the analytics side of things in the comparison of players. The analytics trend continues to gain more steam as the people who don't understand it continue to get old and die off.

What are you even saying in this post?

 

[Remote]

Don't worry.
They tried to slander Bill James too.

Stans gon Stan tho.

You gotta love it when numbers shatter perception.

 

[mbewane]

Is it even worth reading after they imply Drexler and Miller are more "productive" players than Kobe?