Kobe Bryant Is An All Time Great, Unless You Do The Math: VICE
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These are the same clowns that used to argue Kobe wasn't the best player in the league during his prime eventhough all his peers said so.
I personally don't waste my time with people like this. They're obviously clueless about reality.
I personally don't waste my time with people like this. They're obviously clueless about reality.
It caused the same uproar when analysis said Jeter was the worst SS in baseball.
Yet we now know they were right.
But basketball is much slower than baseball to accept the realities of metrics analysis.
Baseball is also a one off event with isolated individual matchups. Even though I'm not an analytics guy, I can accept it's legitimacy in a sport like baseball.
Basketball and Soccer on the other hand are free flowing sports with 10-22 men moving at the same time all impacting the game. They are sports where someone who never touches the ball during a possesion could have the most influence. Which is why I've always been skeptical of it's application in those sports.
If basketball analytics actually had some predictive value to validate it, I might accept it more. But till them I'll trust my eyes over the numbers. Because my eyes can see that those things the stat sheet misses.
Fair enough.
I don't know that basketball analytics has a "PECOTA-like" projection of wins system.
Curious to see if they do.
Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
Don't worry.
They tried to slander Bill James too.
Stans gon Stan tho.
You gotta love it when numbers shatter perception.
I think you need to keep your ass in TLR.
Why? Am I talking above you with these unbiased statistical concepts?
I think you need to keep your ass in TLR.
So the numbers hate Kobe? The media is responsible for the man being so overrated in the first place. You wouldn't need articles like this if the perception of Kobe wasn't so skewed. Like his reputation for being clutch when the game's on the line. Due to him taking a lot of shots in crunch time and hitting some memorable game winners he's elevated as some top level closer, but when you look at the actual numbers for Kobe in the crunch you see that he's nowhere near as good as the hype.
G-Zeus
G-Zeus Chrystler...the brehsident
but everyoen knows he isnt efficient..
he is a killer though.. once he got a foot on your neck......he shoots
he is a killer though.. once he got a foot on your neck......he shoots
OfTheCross
Veteran
i mean he's awful now and it's funny/sad to watch but you gotta just take it for what it is., his body of work speaks for itself
Kobe Bryant Is An All-Time NBA Great, Unless You Do The Math | VICE Sports
Damn. So Kobe wasn't even the best guard taken in the '96 draft
Once again, NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes | Basketball-Reference.com
According to WS per 48, the Top 5 players of all-time are:
- Michael Jordan
- David Robinson
- Chris Paul
- Wilt Chamberlain
- Neil Johnston
On that list.....James Harden is ranked the 19th best player of all-time, while Kobe is 50th
Get these analytics the hell outta here
The list has James Harden ahead of HOFers like Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Kevin McHale, Moses Malone, Julius Erving, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, Scottie Pippen, etc.
The list has Chris Paul as the 3rd best player of ALL-TIME and I'm supposed to take it seriously?!!!?
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Is actually watching the games "perception bias"? Because I saw Drexler and Miller in their primes and neither was close to being in the same league as Kobe.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Once again, NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes | Basketball-Reference.com
According to WS per 48, the Top 5 players of all-time are:
- Michael Jordan
- David Robinson
- Chris Paul
- Wilt Chamberlain
- Neil Johnston
On that list.....James Harden is ranked the 19th best player of all-time, while Kobe is 50th
Get these analytics the hell outta here
The list has James Harden ahead of HOFers like Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Kevin McHale, Moses Malone, Julius Erving, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, Scottie Pippen, etc.
The list has Chris Paul as the 3rd best player of ALL-TIME and I'm supposed to take it seriously?!!!?
Some of these stats breh
Yes watching games is perception bias.
You have statistical analysis so that you can have a more objective understanding of what you're actually seeing.
We don't pattern/structure stats to confirm what we see.
Brandon M.
City of Angels
ok Reggie Miller and Clyde Drexler are better