Kobe Bryant's skill level was simply INSANE

[BigTyme Records]

Were jerry stackhouse and Brandon Jennings averaging 28ppg over a damn near 15 year stretch?



This is dumb, Kobes a career 45% and Mike is 49% Wade is 48% Magic averaged 18ppg or some shyt you can't really compare. Bird and Lebron are forwards and play clos with to the basket

How is Kobe closer to AI than Jordan?

What facts are you looking at? Post Achilles tear?

I was actually talking about the Big L dude not you when I said that bro but those players took smarter shots than Kobe i said this before i always said kobe let the defense off the hook by taking so many bad shots yeah he made alot of em but he also missed a whole lot..hes the all time leader in missed shot but not close to being the all time scorer


I ain't saying dude trash or nun i actually fw him but when he get compared the best of the best MJ/ LBJ that stuff matters cause he wasn't as dominant as a all around player as them he was better on D than magic n Bird tho

 

[Swagnificent]

I don't think there's ever been a player as overall skilled as Kobe Bryant in this league, Michael Jordan included. Not saying he's the best overall, but just from a purely skills standpoint he probably is. It's very possible nobody ever worked harder at anything than Kobe Bryant worked at being the best basketball player he could possibly be. Inspirational indeed.

It did always baffle me though how someone who was clearly so disciplined in his work ethic and practice habits could be so undisciplined when it came to shot selection though lol.

That's called supreme confidence. When you are as good as Kobe and you've worked as hard as he has, he knows his "bad"shots are better than most other players "good" shots.

That was part of his greatness. That he was willing to take such ridiculously difficult shots. Its the reason his highlight tapes are so insane. Those crazy shots typically went in.

 

[FabTrey]

you nikkas shouldn't compare the skill levels of players cuz they don't have identical body type or athleticism. they all have pros and cons. bron might be more efficient due to his size and he's allergic to taking a bad shot. bbron is gunshy like aaron rodgers. bron don't force the issue. i laugh at rodgers stans saying rodgers has ridiculous TD:INT ratio!! well duh, rodgers don't gamble like favre did.

kobe got that MJ gene where he would will himself to come out of the slump. and he don't give no fukk about going 7-20. when bron has a bad night he go full beta. that's the difference in mentality not a skill set.

 

[Swagnificent]

no athletic black person in real life brings up fg% in a basketball debate.

anyone who brings fg% up gets

I don't ever remember it being much of a topic in the early 2000s by the media either. Its a completely new phenomenon. Probably part of the crakkafication of the NBA. Like I said in another thread, white people should just be banned from talking basketball. These dudes have no idea what they're talking about cause they never even played.

Brother, the difference between 50% and 45% is the difference between the 2017 Golden State Warriors and the 2017 Brooklyn Nets.

You are clueless.

If Kobe had made about 1.5 more shots a game, he'd have passed Kareem and would be the all-time scoring leader in NBA history.

But he ain't even close, because there is a HUGE difference between shooting 45% for your career and shooting 50+%.

9/20 = 45%
10/20 = 50%

I don't see much difference.

What I do see a big difference in is the ring count.

5-2>>> 3-5

At the end of the day its about winning. And Kobe's style whatever we want to think of it was more EFFICIENT at winning championships than LeBron's style. The proof is in the finals win/loss record.

 

[Barnett114]

People still using FG% as a measure of efficiency

TS% is much much better

 

[Swagnificent]

you nikkas shouldn't compare the skill levels of players cuz they don't have identical body type or athleticism. they all have pros and cons. bron might be more efficient due to his size and he's allergic to taking a bad shot. bbron is gunshy like aaron rodgers. bron don't force the issue. i laugh at rodgers stans saying rodgers has ridiculous TD:INT ratio!! well duh, rodgers don't gamble like favre did.

kobe got that MJ gene where he would will himself to come out of the slump. and he don't give no fukk about going 7-20. when bron has a bad night he go full beta. that's the difference in mentality not a skill set.

This is a huge factor. LeBron does have a tendency to shy away from shooting when his shot isn't falling early. Its what led to those games where people are just confused in why he wasn't aggressive. Compare that to Kobe who will keep shooting even if his shot isn't going early. That's what makes Kobe who he is. He don't care about starting 7-20 from the field cause he knows if he keeps shooting that could become 16-30 by the end of the night or some nights he might stay cold and end up going 9-30. If LeBron starts 7-20, he just stops shooting. And will end the game with that 7-20.

Kobe played with a confidence where his bad nights could end up going really bad because he wouldn't stop being aggressive. But that also had the positive cause on his good night he would also stay aggressive and end up with historic feats like 81 points in a game or 62 in 3 quarters.

Its just Kobe being Kobe.

 

[Barnett114]

LeBron is more efficient than Kobe

LeBron

Regular Seas.on: .584 TS%
Postseason: .574 TS%

Kobe

Regular Season: .550 TS%
Postseason: .541 TS%

Kobe's Best: .580
LeBron's Best: .649

Jordan's Career and best for Reference

Best: .614
Career: .569
.580 with the Bulls
.480 with the Wizards

 

[zayk35]

All I know is he made my Friday's and Sunday's very enjoyable.. Nothing like a long hard week and getting to unwind on a Friday night with a brew and some smoke then watching Kobe drop 50 in his prime and then go ball with my weekend basketball crew on sat......then on Sunday's in the "Sunday Whites" with the wifey in the kitchen cooking up something ridiculous and watching Kobe cook too...I still remember what she cooked on the day he dropped that 81...Chuck Roast w/potatoes, onions, peppers, carrots, with collard greens, corn on the cob, and corn bread to this day that meal is called "dat 81" in my house

 

[Swagnificent]

How are taking good shots a BAD thing ? smart players work for good shots

Because if you become really good at those "bad" shots you can lead you team to a championship. Because in the big games in the playoffs and finals when its late in the 4th and nobody is gonna let you get easy shots at the rim, you're gonna need to be able to hit those "bad" shots. You know those mid-range shots with a guy's hand in your face with the clock running out. The type of shots Kobe perfected. And the type of shots that Kyrie has been hitting to bail out LeBron cause LeBron can't hit those difficult contested mid-range jump shots.

There is a reason Kobe is 5-2 in the finals while LeBron is 3-5. Kobe's style is more conducive to winning championships because against the best teams and in the most critical moments "good" shots are rarely available. What is typically available are one on one situations with a hand in your face taking a contested jump shot. That is why Kobe played the way he did. It helped prepare him for those gotta have it moments in critical games.

LeBron on the other hand typically just stands around watching Kyrie try to score in those moments because his one on one skill set is weak.

 

[BigTyme Records]

LeBron is more efficient than Kobe

LeBron

Regular Seas.on: .584 TS%
Postseason: .574 TS%

Kobe

Regular Season: .550 TS%
Postseason: .541 TS%

Kobe's Best: .580
LeBron's Best: .649

Jordan's Career and best for Reference

Best: .614
Career: .569
.580 with the Bulls
.480 with the Wizards

B b but lets just soley focus on contested mid range jumpers fron 10-16 ft with 3 people on you while you team mate is wide open

 

[Swagnificent]

Mediocre beyond 5 feet


Yall lebron stans are HILARIOUS


Keep ignoring the numbers and type long ass paragraphs about he scored 25 straight points against that team that one time

And when the game is on the line or we are in those critical moments in the 4th quarter, those shots inside the paint are typically not available. What is available are typically those highly contested mid-range jump shots. Those "bad" shots these idiots are talking about. Its those "bad" shots that win championships.

If not for Kyrie having some of that Mamba blood in him to hit that 3-pointer in game 7 of the 2016 Finals or Ray Allen hitting that 3 in game 6 of the 2013 Finals, the King would right now be sitting at 1-7 in the NBA Finals.

Making "bad" shots is typically the difference between winning a championship and losing. Because in the biggest games and the biggest moments, only those "bad" shots are available. That is why Kobe was universally considered the most clutch player of his era. It was because he was arguably the best "bad" shot maker in NBA history.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Kobe's a legend. He's the closest to MJ in terms of playing style.

 

[Swagnificent]

Thats not good thats dumb af!!

Actually it is. Its somewhat counter intuitive but Kobe's style is better for winning than LeBron's style. Because taking those "bad" shots prepare you for the big moments in big games when an elite opponent isn't gonna just let you get an easy or good shot. They're gonna force you to take bad shots. And hitting those "bad" shots is usually the difference between winning or losing a championship.

As I stated earlier, Kobe is 5-2 in the finals and LeBron is 3-5 in the finals for a reason. Kobe's style is more conducive to winning. While LeBron needed stacked teams to reach a 3-5 record, Kobe was able to win 2 straight rings with far less talent because his style was better for actually winning games. Kobe perfected the "bad" shot. So in big moments of big games against elite opponents when they are not gonna let you get easy buckets, he was able to shine. That is why his teams won rings while LeBron's lost.

And honestly if not for Kyrie Iriving (a player with a one on one skill set similar to Kobe) hitting that "bad" shot over Steph in game 7 of the 2016 Finals, the King would be down to just 2 rings. And if not for Ray Allen hitting another "bad" shot against the Spurs in 2013, the King would have only 1 ring.

It was 2 guys making "bad" shots that have salvaged LeBron's legacy. If not for that, LeBron would be 1-7 in NBA Finals.

 

[Swagnificent]

The difference between someone shooting 50% and 44% is like 2 missed shots, you nikkas act like it's 20

Its not even 2. Its 1 shot per game.

9/20 = 45%
10/20 = 50%

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

LeBron is more efficient than Kobe

LeBron

Regular Seas.on: .584 TS%
Postseason: .574 TS%

Kobe

Regular Season: .550 TS%
Postseason: .541 TS%

Kobe's Best: .580
LeBron's Best: .649

Jordan's Career and best for Reference

Best: .614
Career: .569
.580 with the Bulls
.480 with the Wizards

Smh i posted the numbers outside of 3 feet and u still ignorant to it


I guess thats how you continue to push a tired narrative


But u want to use advanced stats and call out ts%