the cac mamba
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theyd prolly get along worse, im just talkin about the thought of jordan playin w a prime shaq
Kobe Response To Phil Jackson
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theyd prolly get along worse, im just talkin about the thought of jordan playin w a prime shaq
seemorecizzy
Superstar
i love how you make it sound so simple
shaq wasn't playing second fiddle to anyone in his prime. ANY-ONE
and we all know how emotional he is.
jordan used to pick on his teammates Hard
jordan woulda called him a lazy fakkit and they woulda hated eachother
Lakerman0834
Veteran
these dudes think MJ would be happy to split the touches and points with shaq. If mj played with Shaq his # wouldnt be close to what they are now and im sure at one point hed get mad and want it to be him alone. THats why he Pippen was perfect for Jordan never cared about being the man yet did all the lil things that make jordan seem godly now. Remember who performed better without the other in their career
The Kobe vs Jordan argument is retarded.
How long are Kobe stans going to ignore the stats, the rings, and the now the fukking coach?
This argument has been over for years.
How long are Kobe stans going to ignore the stats, the rings, and the now the fukking coach?
This argument has been over for years.
Chris Mauro
Banned
A Jordan Shaq team just would not have been fair.
that duo >>>> any other duo in NBA history
that duo >>>> any other duo in NBA history
i love how you make it sound so simple
shaq wasn't playing second fiddle to anyone in his prime. ANY-ONE
and we all know how emotional he is.
jordan used to pick on his teammates Hard
jordan woulda called him a lazy fakkit and they woulda hated eachother
Exactly. Apparently in all these experts minds that say jordan and shaq would of won multiple championships, shaq is not an egomaniac that doesn't like the spotlight being taken away from him and jordan is not a maniacal person who demanded perfection all the time from his teammates. Jordan also wanted all the attention but let these losers have their stupid ass fantasies of jordan and shaq coexisitng. Those two would of torn each other apart by the first all star game.
THE MACHINE
night owl
I start a random conversation, people reply, I reply to them and so on and so forth.
I send a tweet out about a random event, people tweet back, so on and so forth.
and I'm not even on twitter but I don't knock it.
where do you guys come fromI hate hearing how Jordan was playing against postal workers and weekend garbage men in the league. Jordan isnt some super negro that came out of nowhere. Ever since the late 60's and 70's, the league has been predominantly black. The best of the best make the NBA and please dont diminish Jordans competition like this era got some cyborgs playing SG.
Are you saying SG's like OJ Mayo, JR Smith, Derozan, Joseph Johnson, Klay Thompson, Iguodala, Redikk, Lance Stephenson etc etc would lock Jordan down?
please go look at my other post i gave you examples.
stop with the foolishness. TODAY is not really kobe's era to be honest. its the end of it, its LBJ/durant's era. again jordan never had to deal with that because after he won his last tight he retired again and cam back. when he was gone then the new boys came on. his era ended with him retiring. kobe has never retired. kobe is still on par with the top level guys today, whatever era you want to use kobe is in the top tier minus his first couple of seasons when he wasnt even starting since unlike most guys he didnt inherit his own team.
1991, jordans first ring here's is the SG comp jordan played against. these were all playoff teams that year. most of them are way shorter then jordan. all of them except for one is less athletic, some are not even close in athletics. like i said, jordan was lucky to play in that era. and you have to realize. a lot of these dudes were not even putting up the numbers. so he didnt have to chase them around like crazy to shut them down.
Lakers- SG (B.scott / 63-athletic)-shorter then mike
Blazers-SG( drex/67-athletic) on par with mike(but only could dribble with his right hand. Lol)
Pistons-SG(Dumars/63-average athleticism). Shorter then mike and less athletic..mike said this guy was his toughest defender. Really MJ?
Celtics(flabby and sick)-SG- Reggie Lewis (RIP)-67, athletic, but not Jordan athletic.- he was in his 3rd year. hes still a kid while Jordan is all grown up.
Gstate- SG (Mitch Richmon/ 65-athletic but not on par with mike.. more like ray allen in his prime)-only in his 2nd year
Philly SG (Hersey Hawkins/63-average athleticism)- Shorter then mike, less athletic then mike.
UTAH- SG ( Jeff Malone/64 average athleticism) shorter then mike, less athletic then mike.
Atlanta- SG (John Battle/62 average athleticism)-wayyyy shorter then mike, less athletic then mike. And no, Jordan did not guard nique, and nique did not guard Jordan.
Pacers-SG (Reggie Miller/67 below average athleticism)-frail(super thin,Durant like thin), not as strong as Jordan, not as athletic as mike.
Seatle Super Sonics(RIP)- SG (two guys, Ricky pierce- 64 average athleticism=shorter then mike, not as athletic as mike) & Dale Ellis SG- 67 way below average athleticism= Jordan was on another planet in the athletics dept vs this guy. They split time down the middle in 91, thats why I put them both in here.
Knicks- SG(Gerald Wilkins -6-6- above average athleticism, but not on par with Jordan)-very good defender(like tony allen but a hint less athleticism but an inch taller) but not a really big time scorer.- mike had a bit more athleticism then Gerald and didnt have to really defend Gerald since he was putting up less then 15pp.
Phoenix Suns- SG(Jeff Hornacek-63-unathletic)-mike was bigger then jeff in every way, Jordan was on another planet in the athletics dept in comparison to jeff hornacek.
jordan slowed down guys he had a head and shoulders advantage over. the only guy he shut down that was built like him is drexler. and we all know why. drexler literally didnt have a left hand. the guy would dribble with his right, fake a cross over with his right and keep it in the right hand. no matter where he was on the court. he played as if his left hand didnt exist. all you do with a guy like that is shade him and cut that right hand off so he has to go elsewhere. it proves to you how unathletic and small the nba was for drex to kill the nba all those years and no one but mike slow him down. mr one handed. lol. thats cause he was so much bigger, stronger, quicker, jumped higher then everyone else. he could beat them to the spot even if they shaded. he couldnt do that to jordan since jordand was approx his same height, similar build and just as athletic if not more so.
Jordan vs guys like him penny hardway. penny had his normal averages vs mike and the bulls. the truth is thats why they didnt let mike guard penny, pippen did. mike took sorry mr shoot to much but dont make nothing nick anderson. a volume shooter, who was kind of athletic but wasnt a known defender even though he got lucky and stole that ball from jordan wearing the 45 jersey.
i showed you vince and tmac. jordan was never going to shut down guys like him. because the way he shut his opponents down was with his superior size, strength, and athleticism. it wasnt because he played the angles so much better then everyone else.
:philjax:
2 Omega's playing with each other. Partying, gambling. Bulls would've won rings while MJ was serving his suspension and playing baseball.
Shaq didn't even last more than one season with fukking wade. GTFOH.
seemorecizzy
Superstar
if you put kobe on those bulls teams
and jordan with shaq all those years
i don't think the results would be that much different
again, i'm factoring in the fact that i don't think jordan and shaq would get along, and the fact that pippen would probably be the perfect fit for kobe
i do believe jordan is the better player though
but i just think when you are comparing, everything must be factored in
imagine if kobe had his own team from the beginning
Would a young Mike allow himself to be #2 to prime Shaq? For 8-10 years? Would Mike allow himself to be a second option to anyone? Would a prime Shaq allow himself to be #2 to a young Mike?
They both liked being the face of their teams. I think their egos are too big to share that. I don't see them getting along for 10 titles.
They both liked being the face of their teams. I think their egos are too big to share that. I don't see them getting along for 10 titles.
Ruby'sRevolver
Man in the Black Hat
Not really. Everything he said as far as the both of them as players is mostly true.
People on here want to act like Phil said Jordan is far superior than Jordan.Kobe playing with Shaq hurt him more than Pippen playing with Jordan. People act like Jordan and Shaq would've won more rings than Kobe and Shaq, but the truth is Jordan and Shaq would've ended the same way because Jordan has the biggest ego ever in sports.
In his new book Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success, Phil Jackson tells a great story from a meeting he helped arrange between Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant during the 1999-2000 season. Kobe, who we know thinks quite highly of his own abilities, told MJ (who had retired from the NBA for a second time) that he could take him one-on-one when they saw each other in Chicago that year. In the book, Jackson writes that Jordan was a considerably superior player and leader to Bryant.
In his new book Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success, Phil Jackson tells a great story from a meeting he helped arrange between Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant during the 1999-2000 season. Kobe, who we know thinks quite highly of his own abilities, told MJ (who had retired from the NBA for a second time) that he could take him one-on-one when they saw each other in Chicago that year. In the book, Jackson writes that Jordan was a considerably superior player and leader to Bryant.
Where is the exact quote from the book?
Anyone can reinterpret anything.
