Kobe Response To Phil Jackson

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If Jordan had played with Shaq, Jordan wouldn't be Jordan as we now know him, he'd probably be Kobe.

What Jordan did for the game of basketball wouldn't have been done if he played with another alpha male, let's be real.


This is really a pointless debate. Stan wars at its finest.
 

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Yes.. have you never heard of the jordan rules?

we gonna act like those scrubs were offensive threats now?
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Mj didnt have shaq taking all the attention away from him half his career.

and he still put up better numbers :pachaha:
I'll be the first to say Jordan>Kobe. So what are you really arguing?
 

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Shaq didn't even last more than one season with fukking wade. GTFOH.

Wade ain't Jordan. Shaq coming to a Jordan established team, he's getting touches. Plus Pippen probably isn't a top 50 if he's on the Bulls. A great leader is a great leader. Great leaders get people to listen and perform.

I don't know the dynamic between shaq and wade was bad :ld:
 

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i love how you make it sound so simple
shaq wasn't playing second fiddle to anyone in his prime. ANY-ONE
and we all know how emotional he is.
jordan used to pick on his teammates Hard
jordan woulda called him a lazy fakkit and they woulda hated eachother
I make it sound so simple but here you are with it all played out in your head? Mike was a better player and a better leader/teammate than Kobe and Shaq. Here's my take. The reason that Shaq and Kobe butted heads is because they lacked respect for one another. Shaq didn't respect Kobe because he was selfish and more importantly not as good. Kobe didn't respect Shaq because Shaq didn't share his work ethic and plus his ego didn't allow him to remain in the supporting role. Shaq would have had no choice but to respect and eventually play 2nd fiddle to Mike because Mike would have established himself as a better player. Remember, Shaq and Kobe didn't breakup until their title run ended. A Mike-Shaq title run doesn't end at 3. Mike-Shaq don't lose to that Spurs team in '03 or that Pistons team in '04. No way Mike gets locked up by that Pistons team. I'm not saying that there wouldn't have been friction based on their personalities, I just think that the winning would've allowed them to work it out.
 

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Wade ain't Jordan. Shaq coming to a Jordan established team, he's getting touches. Plus Pippen probably isn't a top 50 if he's on the Bulls. A great leader is a great leader. Great leaders get people to listen and perform.

I don't know the dynamic between shaq and wade was bad :ld:

Shaq is not listening to jordan if he doesn't want to, he doesn't give a fukk about jordan like you stans do. If he doesn't feel like training today, guess what? Jordan is not gonna make him fukking train. GTFOH with your stan fantasy.
 

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Where is the exact quote from the book?:comeon:

Anyone can reinterpret anything.

:heh: is it really that hard to believe that a man who coached both players would feel Mike was better?

6 rings
6 finals MVPS
5 MVPs
1 DPOY
3 time steals leader
10 time scoring champ
Career 50% shooter

Kobe is top 5-10 dead or alive but come on breh.
 

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Mike commands more respect. Did you read what Phils said?

Did you not read the quote about Bill threatening to come upside MJ's head?

Michael Jordan was a fukking bully. He still is a fukking bully. If Cartwright rose up against MJ what you think Shaq gonna do?

Back in Chicago everyone knew they couldn't cross him because he was the golden boy. Meanwhile he's at practice punching Steve Kerr in the face because he was guarding him too hard. Imagine the stories we haven't heard.

Bill Russell commanded respect. MJ didn't. He had a coach that got out of his way and let him do whatever he wanted. MJ STILL hates Krause cause he wouldn't do the same.

Just look at his hall of fame speech. The man spent the entire speech kicking people who couldn't respond only to be cheered on by some of y'all.
 

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Did you not read the quote about Bill threatening to come upside MJ's head?

Michael Jordan was a fukking bully. He still is a fukking bully. If Cartwright rose up against MJ what you think Shaq gonna do?

Back in Chicago everyone knew they couldn't cross him because he was the golden boy. Meanwhile he's at practice punching Steve Kerr in the face because he was guarding him too hard. Imagine the stories we haven't heard.

Bill Russell commanded respect. MJ didn't. He had a coach that got out of his way and let him do whatever he wanted. MJ STILL hates Krause cause he wouldn't do the same.


People just seem to skip over the part where Jordan was a bully and shaq was an egotistical b*stard who felt he didn't need to listen to guys smaller than him. Shaq and Jordan would absolutely not have worked together.
 

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I make it sound so simple but here you are with it all played out in your head? Mike was a better player and a better leader/teammate than Kobe and Shaq. Here's my take. The reason that Shaq and Kobe butted heads is because they lacked respect for one another. Shaq didn't respect Kobe because he was selfish and more importantly not as good. Kobe didn't respect Shaq because Shaq didn't share his work ethic and plus his ego didn't allow him to remain in the supporting role. Shaq would have had no choice but to respect and eventually play 2nd fiddle to Mike because Mike would have established himself as a better player. Remember, Shaq and Kobe didn't breakup until their title run ended. A Mike-Shaq title run doesn't end at 3. Mike-Shaq don't lose to that Spurs team in '03 or that Pistons team in '04. No way Mike gets locked up by that Pistons team. I'm not saying that there wouldn't have been friction based on their personalities, I just think that the winning would've allowed them to work it out.

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Did you not read the quote about Bill threatening to come upside MJ's head?

Michael Jordan was a fukking bully. He still is a fukking bully. If Cartwright rose up against MJ what you think Shaq gonna do?

Back in Chicago everyone knew they couldn't cross him because he was the golden boy. Meanwhile he's at practice punching Steve Kerr in the face because he was guarding him too hard. Imagine the stories we haven't heard.

Bill Russell commanded respect. MJ didn't. He had a coach that got out of his way and let him do whatever he wanted. MJ STILL hates Krause cause he wouldn't do the same.
So because Cartwright threatened Mike at some point that proves that he wasn't a good leader? Cartwright and Shaq are 2 different players/people. What makes you think that Mike would've handled Shaq like he handled Cartwright? Besides, how many titles did Cartwright win with Mike? How about Kerr? Regardless of what may have happened between those guys and Mike over the years, it's obvious that Mike lead those perspective teams to the top of the mountain. Your post makes no sense, you haven't refuted anything that I said.
 

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kobe hater, mj lover post.

look mr i only know what the media tells me. the media told me as a kid MJ was the greatest and no one will ever surpass him. until they said LBJ is the greatest . so i too skip over kobe.

^^thats you.

everyone copied jordan's moves. just like jordan was copying moves from DR J and david thompson. mike had his own stage because magic had aids, bird had a broke back, and the pistons were just old.

all the greats were aged out by the time mike was ready to contend. not his fault. but lets tell it like it is. this is why jordan is THE GREATEST EVER. its not just because of his winning ways, and scoring/defense. its because he was the greatest player in his era by FAR since all the other legends who would have challenged his throne were all REtired or old.

Kobe came into the nba as a 17yr old backup sg to an allstar in eddie jones.

it took him a few years to get to the starting spot then he had to play 2nd fiddle to shaq. the nba was ramping up with ballers. next thing you know, kobe is a monster, but so is shaq. shaq is older and in his prime. the most dominant at his position in that era. therefore you think of shaq more so then you do kobe. just like you think of jordan more so then you do anyone else for the same reason. but kobe is just playing semi passive to be a team guy and win rings with oneal. more or less swallowing his pride and winning those first 3. only showing you how ridiculously good he was vs the spurs in the offs.

then shaq goes bye bye. everyone else, all of his peers started off with sorry teams but now have decent to good teams. he started off with a good team and is now in the dumps. but he proves how great he is with those clowns he had on his team, smush parker lasted one more season post lakers and ended up on the street ball circuit. where is brian cook?. kwame brown cant catch. it was pitiful. he still drug those clowns into the offs.. TWICE. almost shocked the world once by beating the #2 seed.

of course he copied jordan's moves. who didnt. he also copied a lot of old school players moves. kobe has told you this in the past. but yall aint listening. he use to be stuck in italy watching his pops play pro ball. so he had to get Tapes of american nba games. thats why he fell in love with the old school players and had their moves down pat. he mimicked everyone he liked, including mike.

but he did mike, better then mike. he had a post game, much earlier in his career then mike, he had a better one dribble pull up then mike. better handles. better midrange jumper. but unlucky for kobe. he never had the chance to play a league full of guys that were either shorter, slower , or couldnt jump as high as him. kobe had to play guys that were built just like him or better physically.

I remember Kobe saying this and he's 100 percent right

"I sacrificed quite a bit in individual numbers and MVPs and NBA Finals [MVPs] and all this other stuff," Bryant said. "Phil [Jackson] used to come to us as a team and let me take over during the march to the Finals. Then in the Finals, which was mostly Eastern Conference teams that didn't have any centers, we went through Shaq. Those are things I was willing to sacrifice. And you have to have that sacrifice if that dynamic’s going to work.

It was inevitable," Bryant said. "You can't expect Michael [Jordan] to play with Wilt [Chamberlain] for his entire career. That's just not going to work. I had too much talent and too much to showcase. And then there was a challenge issued by him about me not being able to win without him. That's a challenge I couldn't pass."-Kobe

this why i been a kobe fan all my life real talk he the greatest in my generation bottomline

nikkas diss kobe but but for a nikka at 17 to come in the league and do what he did you cant take that away from him

bottomline line agreein or not when you mention Kobe you gone mention Jordan and vice versa

a nikka really worked his whole life to say that....nikka when you my name mention me with jordan i really did dis shyt cant take shyt away from me....who else can say that ?
 

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That's true what Bean said to a degree but from the pieces we know, the things Phil said would not have made a difference had Jordan played w/Shaq tho :yeshrug:



Going off that, that has NOTHING to do with or without playing with Shaq

Thread should have ended here.

I am gonna give Kobe the benefit of the doubt that this was not his response to Phil's book. I would hate to believe that this nikka actually thinks like his stans. :scusthov:

:laugh: at this thread turning into another Kobe vs. MJ thread with "What if MJ played with Shaq" sprinkled in.


PS- When did playing with Shaq become some sort of detriment or hindrance? :wtf: This isn't the first time I have seen someone act like playing with Shaq was some burden. :childplease: Are nikkas really trying to spin that shyt now? :snoop:
 

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So because Cartwright threatened Mike at some point that proves that he wasn't a good leader? Cartwright and Shaq are 2 different players/people. What makes you think that Mike would've handled Shaq like he handled Cartwright? Besides, how many titles did Cartwright win with Mike? How about Kerr? Regardless of what may have happened between those guys and Mike over the years, it's obvious that Mike lead those perspective teams to the top of the mountain. Your post makes no sense, you haven't refuted anything that I said.

So Jordan would of acted like a bytch to shaq as to not catch that preemptive beatdown? :lolbron:
 
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